Is De La Hoya overated?

[TheSouthpaw]

Originally Posted by Flea Man

Hardly 'moving up' just not cutting stupid amounts of weight.

I agree Flea..were only talkin about a few pounds here.

[TheSouthpaw]

Although I believe there was nothing Oscar could have done to beat Manny, The Trinidad fight I thought Oscar was given Tito a boxing lesson till around the 10th when DLH just started skating and running....What happened?

[Flea Man]

Look through the thread TheSouthpaw, sure it's had at least a fleeting moment in the spotlight

[sweet_scientist]

Originally Posted by anj

It's the case of styles IMO. Pea doesn't have great knockout power to finish Oscar off easily either.

The Pea of the Chavez fight versus the Oscar of the Manny fight would be more embarrassingly one sided than the second Ramirez fight.

[Waynegrade]

Originally Posted by Flea Man

Hardly 'moving up' just not cutting stupid amounts of weight.

Einstein, when you start your career at 133lbs,anmd end up fighting at middleweight, I`d say thats significant. Especially when I think Oscar`s best weight was 147...

[Waynegrade]

Originally Posted by anj

It's the case of styles IMO. Pea doesn't have great knockout power to finish Oscar off easily either.

Good point

[Waynegrade]

Originally Posted by TheSouthpaw

I agree Flea..were only talkin about a few pounds here.

But Oscar was never a true middle... To say he was anywhere near opitimum weight or timewise in his career is very innaccurate...

[Waynegrade]

Originally Posted by anj

It's a hard fight to call. I could see a De La Hoya win 116-112, but I could also see it going another split decision with Mayweather being very accurate.

There are not many ATG's with a resume full of elite fighters (in their primes/not weakened).

De La Hoya-Whitaker will always be a close one even if they are at their primes or if De La Hoya was as shot as he was against Pacquiao.

Agreed, prime Whitaker is tough in ANY superfight... Oscar/PBF, always a close one even at respective primes. Although I think a prime Oscar would get after PBF a lot more than he did when they fought ...

[TheSouthpaw]

Originally Posted by Flea Man

Look through the thread TheSouthpaw, sure it's had at least a fleeting moment in the spotlight

I know right..I didnt expect this many people to chime in on this, but ive learned alot I didnt know about Oscar!

[Flea Man]

Originally Posted by Waynegrade

But Oscar was never a true middle... To say he was anywhere near opitimum weight or timewise in his career is very innaccurate...

Slow down. I was replying to your post where you said Mosley was 'a lightweight moving up' as if Oscar loses more kudos for being the guy already at welterweight when he lost.

I was pointing out that Mosley and De La Hoya were well-matched for size and Mosley was hardly the smaller man jumping up two divisions.

Where did Oscar going up to middleweight come into it you berk?

[TheSouthpaw]

Originally Posted by Waynegrade

But Oscar was never a true middle... To say he was anywhere near opitimum weight or timewise in his career is very innaccurate...

im not saying he was anywhere close to being a natural MW, and I agree his true legacy lies at 147 which was his bread and butter,..he didnt jump from LW to MW were talkin 147 to 154 to 160, there its just water weight probably. How much weight do you think Oscar was walkin around with when he fought Hopkins? And no he had no business fighting Hopkins he proved that

[Flea Man]

Originally Posted by anj

It's the case of styles IMO. Pea doesn't have great knockout power to finish Oscar off easily either.

And that means it would be 'really close'?

[TheSouthpaw]

Never a true middle, but all greats that come out of the WW division end up fighting heavier before there career comes to an end, DLH got to big for his britches.

[TheSouthpaw]

Originally Posted by Flea Man

And that means it would be 'really close'?

Very close!

[Waynegrade]

Lets face it guys, Whitaker would be a bitch for anyone to fight... Talk about trying to pin the tail on the donkey !