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Old 11-10-2012, 04:18 PM   #16
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low it fam! its karma for da mchpilbin fight enzo knows how man was feeling now!
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Old 11-10-2012, 04:19 PM   #17
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Then their corner should pull them out. They should know their fighters better than anyone.
Rarely happens though. The corner are usually caught up in the action as well. If the ref is relying on the corner to make the call then he shouldn't be in there doing the job.
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Old 11-10-2012, 04:23 PM   #18
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What criteria do you introduce for the standing eight?

That's the issue. A knockdown is pretty clear cut. Did a legal, scoring punch put them down? Yes? That's a knockdown.

And it would just confuse when a fighter should be stopped, because the referee would have another tool to exhaust before stopping the fight.

As Gaz says, it's just creating a rule to offset bad refereeing (wefeweeing) rather than getting rid of bad referees or retraining sloppy ones.
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Old 11-10-2012, 05:06 PM   #19
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Never liked it. It breaks the flow of action and a lot of time gets the fighter hurt worse than if the fight had been left to go its course.

If refs are stopping fights too early then that should be addressed rather than changing to rules to accomodate poor refs.
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thing about a standin 8 count is it can stop someone whos hurt about to get knocked out then they can recover but then they will take more punishment which can do major damage because the fight woulda been stopped if there was no standin 8

These are the reasons why I don't like it. I also think it would make refs more trigger happy, stepping in all the time.
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Old 11-10-2012, 05:11 PM   #20
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Keep em' coming lads, good stuff .
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Old 11-10-2012, 05:13 PM   #21
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Old 11-10-2012, 05:21 PM   #22
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Old 11-10-2012, 05:34 PM   #23
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I think it would definitely lead to fighters taking more punishment. If you have to have the referee saving you, you're in no position to carry on.
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Old 11-10-2012, 05:40 PM   #24
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I would say so, but when you look at the indecisiveness last night, thats what the problem was, he got half way and started having second thoughts, it was all over his face, he didn't know what to do.

That was the problem last night, even if there was a standing 8 count, would IJL have given it yesterday? I really don't know.

It's hopeless refs that are the problem, not the rules.

I'd say bring a standing 8 count in tomorrow, but the refs have to be able to cut the grass, and some can't!
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Old 11-10-2012, 05:45 PM   #25
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It's easy to raise arguments for and against the 8 count. Thing is boxing rules across the world should be standardized, not bastardized.
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Old 11-10-2012, 09:32 PM   #26
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Absolutely. I can understand the need for rules to be standardised, but in this case it isn't going to affect the way people fight, it will only prevent terrible stoppages we see far too often. A loss is very damaging to a fighter's future earning potential and the idea that Enzo has to live with a completely unjustified L on his record because of a mistake out of his control is a big problem.

I completely support standing 8 counts
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Old 11-10-2012, 09:43 PM   #27
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Will it cure bad judgment by referees? Because thats the root of this problem.
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Old 11-11-2012, 12:08 AM   #28
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If you get a standing 8 count does it mean a 10/8 round for the other fighter same as a knock down would?
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Old 11-11-2012, 12:37 AM   #29
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I understand standing 8s for occasions when a fighter gets hit by a punch that would have put them down but being trapped between the opponent and the ropes they get held up. This can lead to them taking a lot of damage that they wouldnt have taken if they had been in the centre of the ring and just gone down. This is the ONLY occasion in my opinion a standing 8 should be used, when the fighter would have gone down but was held up by the ropes.

This was not the case in the enzo fight that was just poor officiating which should be fought against tooth and nail and is a rot at the heart of our sport.
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Old 11-11-2012, 12:48 AM   #30
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Absolutely. I can understand the need for rules to be standardised, but in this case it isn't going to affect the way people fight, it will only prevent terrible stoppages we see far too often.
The fact it will effect the way people fight is the biggest reason there is for standardization of the rules.
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