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Old 12-09-2011, 08:43 PM   #1
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Default Prime Pierre Coetzer in Today's Heavyweight Landscape

Not sure if this has been done before, but how would a prime Pierre Coetzer do against today's heavyweights in your opinion? I personally think that he would do quite well with his size (especially if he bulked up a bit) and strength. From what I have seen of him, he was a pretty decent heavyweight who would fare much better against today's crop of heavyweights. There is always the argument that he never beat a top heavyweight of his day, but then again, most heavyweights these days aren't built like they were back then.
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Old 12-09-2011, 08:59 PM   #2
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Top 3 heavy in todays bunch
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Old 12-10-2011, 04:32 AM   #3
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He loses. He might get the W over some DuPlooy caliber guys in the present landscape, but that's about as far as that defense is going to take him.
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Old 12-10-2011, 08:12 AM   #4
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he would not be a champion ,i cant see him beating either klit brother but he would be ranked a top contender
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Old 12-10-2011, 08:25 AM   #5
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I can't see him doing any better, dude is born for fringe. He split narrow fights with gate keeper Ossie Ocasio, and got knocked out by Bowe, Bruno, and Foreman when he finally stepped up

With the right backing, sure, anybody can be a contender. But you got to at least be convincing against gate keepers in your hometown for ****'s sake. He would be at the Sosonwoski level today.

Blah blah this Bowe opponent came up in a STACKED DIVISION would be a contender today. Yeah, think god there aren't any old Foreman and Ocasio types today to hold him back..
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Old 12-10-2011, 08:34 AM   #6
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I can't see him doing any better, dude is born for fringe. He split narrow fights with gate keeper Ossie Ocasio, and got knocked out by Bowe, Bruno, and Foreman when he finally stepped up

With the right backing, sure, anybody can be a contender. But you got to at least be convincing against gate keepers in your hometown for ****'s sake. He would be at the Sosonwoski level today.

Blah blah this Bowe opponent came up in a STACKED DIVISION would be a contender today. Yeah, think god there aren't any old Foreman and Ocasio types today to hold him back..
mongoose apart from the brothers klit who of the heavy's around today would have a good chance to beat the bowe,bruno and foreman that coetzer was up against
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Old 12-10-2011, 08:52 AM   #7
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mongoose apart from the brothers klit who of the heavy's around today would have a good chance to beat the bowe,bruno and foreman that coetzer was up against
For one thing, Povetkin is looking utterly fanastic as of late, and this is from a huge critic of the guy who regularly uses him as the butt of jokes. I must say Atlas has made me a believer, he's looking faster, sharper, and more aggressive, great defense too. So the division is a bit more than the Bros.

Why do you put an emphasis on those three, how about the Puerto Rican gate keeper that kept Coetzer from the Ring rankings? Do you think that version of Ossie is big shoes to fill? There are some solid gate keepers today like Barrett and Sergei that are perfectly capable of trading wins with Coetzer.

Who would beat Old Foreman..well. It didn't take a Jersey Walcott to outbox him. Could many contenders tdoay emulate Morrison and Alex Stewart's performance from that year? Yeah..they could. Hardly a high standard of technical boxing.
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Old 12-10-2011, 08:54 AM   #8
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Frank Bruno...would be like Arreola today but with worse stamina and a better body..go figure. Losing to the contenders, and feasting on the cans and maybe some qualty gatekeepers, probably hanging on to a lower tier ranking. Waiting for his McCall...and he'll find him..oh yes, he will eventually.

Bruno is a guy I just don't think can WIN. It doesn't matter if its a washed up Spoon, the limited Bonecrusher, a great like Tyson...a future great like Lewis...this dude is going to box well and fold. Just his nature. Who could beat him today? God...I remember me and Lefthook 31 (missed) breaking it down that Walking Punchline Samuel Peter would probably upset him after losing every round. Here's a good one..almost every RING contedner is a Rocky Marciano against Bruno.

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Old 12-10-2011, 11:51 AM   #9
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I always referred to him as "the uncrowned King" after Bowe low-blowed him into submission. He would beat all the current crop, Klits included, and reign at least for a decade. Perhaps two.
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Old 12-10-2011, 12:41 PM   #10
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Depends who he's matched with. Bowe did need to low-blow him into submission after a toe-to-toe slugging match. I'd give him a tiny chance against Wlad simply because he's mean and durable enough to try to get inside consistently rather than hanging on the fringes and getting jabbed to death. He almost certainly loses, but Wlad's chin gives him an inkling of a chance. Povetkin would be an interesting fight, since the latter can be lured into slugging at times. Still probably loses. If Helenius doesn't improve, Coetzer could probably beat him. Arreola too. Most of the others probably outbox him.

Somebody with porous defense who wants to stand and slug with Coetzer is probably the best opponent.
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Old 12-10-2011, 07:34 PM   #11
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For one thing, Povetkin is looking utterly fanastic as of late, and this is from a huge critic of the guy who regularly uses him as the butt of jokes. I must say Atlas has made me a believer, he's looking faster, sharper, and more aggressive, great defense too. So the division is a bit more than the Bros.

Why do you put an emphasis on those three, how about the Puerto Rican gate keeper that kept Coetzer from the Ring rankings? Do you think that version of Ossie is big shoes to fill? There are some solid gate keepers today like Barrett and Sergei that are perfectly capable of trading wins with Coetzer.

Who would beat Old Foreman..well. It didn't take a Jersey Walcott to outbox him. Could many contenders tdoay emulate Morrison and Alex Stewart's performance from that year? Yeah..they could. Hardly a high standard of technical boxing.
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Foreman had to low blow Stewart repeatedly in order to immobilize Stewart enough to hit him clean. The knockdowns in the second round were helped along by George's flagrant, hard low blows. Even a man of the cloth is not averse to the occasional foul if it helps his cause!
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Old 12-11-2011, 12:05 AM   #12
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Tough guy. Not a true contender in a lot of eras, second- or third-tier guy, but tougher than a 10-penny nail.
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Old 12-11-2011, 12:23 AM   #13
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In all seriousness, Coetzer brought nothing to thed ring but a resolute sterness to invite and absorb punishment and possibly the greatest mustache fistiana has ever witnessed. He might be top ten today for a new york minute but that is about it.
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I can't see him doing any better, dude is born for fringe. He split narrow fights with gate keeper Ossie Ocasio, and got knocked out by Bowe, Bruno, and Foreman when he finally stepped up

With the right backing, sure, anybody can be a contender. But you got to at least be convincing against gate keepers in your hometown for ****'s sake. He would be at the Sosonwoski level today.

Blah blah this Bowe opponent came up in a STACKED DIVISION would be a contender today. Yeah, think god there aren't any old Foreman and Ocasio types today to hold him back..
Agered. Coetzer was a tad slow, and not very skilled on offense or defense. He would not make it past Povektin, or Adamek. I would also pick Haye to defeat him.

In terms of South African heavies, Corrie Sanders and Gerry Coetzee were better than Pierre Coetzer.
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Old 12-11-2011, 04:27 PM   #15
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I can see him being better than guys like Tony Thompson and Chris Arreola, but probably not as good as David Haye or Alexander Povtekin.. Both Klits would beat him convincingly... At his best, he'd likely be a #5 guy or somwhere there abouts.. As Mongoose said, he was never top cut.
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