Wladimir Klitschko Should Fight Kubrat Pulev Next And Nobody Else

[McGrain]

Originally Posted by dinovelvet

Fighters who are world champs dont need to time to "develop".

This is total nonsense and a generalisation of the worst time. I think you'd struggle to find an industry person to agree with you. Almost every fighter i've ever read describes a learning process that never ends. Even Wladimir himself will likely learn some new details with a new coach.

Ward didn't need time to "develop" when he enterd into the super6.

And yet he, himself, described his improvements fighting in the super six. He himself, disagrees with you.

The competition, that's what does it. I mean, you can fight C-level guys and look great, and you can fight B-level guys, and old veterans and look great and you can do what you want to do. But when you fight A-level guys, you know, it causes you to step your game up.

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What you are saying is just flat-out untrue i'm afraid, and almost every fighter or trainer would agree with me.

[sinol]

Originally Posted by dinovelvet

Pulev is his no.1 mandatory challenger and has come of an impressive knock out victory against unbeaten Ustinov.

After 3 miserable miss-matches in a row he has to step it up a gear. Mormek , Wach are the type of guys Price and Fury should be fighting not the unified champion of the world making his 9th defence of his belts.

Another no name beyond 50 ranked contender is unacceptable.

TOTALLY AGREE WITH U

[dinovelvet]

Ward is still developing and he tested himself at 24 against the best like he said in the qoute. I dont know what point you're trying to make.
I never claimed Pulev wouldn't be better in a few years but he's in his prime now at 31 and he's not getting any younger. Its not for Pulev to expect Wlad to wait around fot him, the fight mightn't even be there for him in a few years and its one of the best fights that can be made for Wlad after his recent run.
Theres no fight out there that can prepare him to fight Wlad and he's not going to gain new skills at this point that can guarantee him a win. As i said , he's not the only contender in line to face Wlad.
Tyson had done it all by 20. People said Garcia wasn't ready to fight Khan.
You might object to the fight getting signed tomorrow but i wouldn't.

[dinovelvet]

A fighter will always be developing , my point was that shouldn't stop them from taking big fights, and most of the time it doesn't.

[McGrain]

Originally Posted by dinovelvet

Ward is still developing and he tested himself at 24 against the best like he said in the qoute. I dont know what point you're trying to make.

this one basically:

Originally Posted by dinovelvet

A fighter will always be developing

Which seems to directly contradict this:

Originally Posted by dinovelvet

Fighters who are world champs dont need to time to "develop".

But what I am basically saying is that fighters should avoid hurtful, one-sided beatings when they are pre-prime. You Pulev has already reached his prime (although you also say he will continue to improve, which makes me wonder if you know what prime means, and also if you understand that we can't know if his prime has arrived or not until he has retired/become shot?), I wonder which other HW's who have retired you would see as having primed after 17 fights?

Tyson had done it all by 20.

Done it all? At twenty years? So what? After 20 fights, the issue at hand here, he hadn't even fought a 12 rounder, never mind fought for a world title.

You picked Tyson because you (correctly) thought of him as being a good example for a fighter who peaked quickly, then you try to argue Pulev should be moved along more quickly than him. Tyson was still 27-0 when he fought for a world title. He had ten more fights than Pulev. And he arguably hadn't peaked at that point. Most would say he had to add another seven fights at the highest level before he peaked (versus Spinks, or at least that year).

Regardless, you're way off again. Fighters, every one of them, get better by fighting at the highest level. Pulev can afford to wait a couple of years, just like Price, and he should do it.

[ludwig]

I agree with the OP but it seems the Pulev camp wants one more fight before facing Wladimir. So hopefully it's Povetkin next.

[ludwig]

Originally Posted by Vysotsky

I would be pissed if Adamek managed to derail a Pulev title shot. I do favor Pulev against Adamek but nothing is guarenteed.

I don't see the fight happening. Adamek would want to stay in Jersey and Pulev wouldn't risk being robbed there. Maybe if they staged it in Poland an agreement could be made.

[dinovelvet]

If he's good enough to be a world title holder he's good enough to fight a world title holder. More improvement time shouldn't be an excuse when you are already a champ was my argument. Pulev isn't being groomed into the next big boxing star and if he was a young pup in his early 20's id agree with you.
Only he is to blame for having 17 fights at the age of 31, but he has to chase the big fights now because they aren't going to wait for him and nothing is guaranteed.

[McGrain]

Originally Posted by dinovelvet

If he's good enough to be a world title holder

He ISN'T a world title holder. He holds the EBU and the IBF international.

Why do you think he's a world-title holder?

he's good enough to fight a world title holder.

Let Povetkin fight him then.

More improvement time shouldn't be an excuse when you are already a champ was my argument.

As above.

Only he is to blame for having 17 fights at the age of 31.

So what? It's not about blame, it's about the fact that he will be better in five fights - or even three fights - time and might end up diminished after Wlad beats his face in for twelve.

[derrick]

Wlad will not take a fight if its to risky

[lufcrazy]

I'd take any of the following:

Arreola
Adamek
Huck
Povetkin
Pulev
Fury
Boytsov

[On The Money]

Originally Posted by sinol

TOTALLY AGREE WITH U

Wach was rated inside the 15 of all four organisations, lets not forget that guys are ducking Wlad. Pulev is probably another ducker.

[dinovelvet]

He just mightn't get the opportunity down the line. There is a lot of big names climbing the ladder.
But if Pulev / Povektin materialise's i cant complain about that.

[Vysotsky]

Originally Posted by ludwig

I don't see the fight happening. Adamek would want to stay in Jersey and Pulev wouldn't risk being robbed there. Maybe if they staged it in Poland an agreement could be made.

Pulev is rated #1 currently but him vs the Adamek/Cunningham winner is going to be the final IBF eliminator for the mandatory spot so im pretty sure its going to happen. Im assuming they'll hold a purse bid for location and i could see Sauerland outbidding Main Events and the fight being in Germany.

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[Vidic]

Originally Posted by damian38

Pulev is NOT his mandatory, not yet anyway

he has to beat the winner of Adamek-Cunningham II for the #1 spot

That's disgusting