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Old 11-12-2012, 08:53 AM   #1
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Default 29 of 29 Boxing Commissions, Ban the Cassius Clay - Sonny Liston Rematch

July 1964,

When the State Boxing Commissions got together, to decide on whether
the Cassius Clay vs. Sonny Liston 'rematch' should be held,

27 of the 29 Boxing Chairman's voted 'NO', with only Michigan and Kentucky voting 'YES'.

Even Colorado (Sonny Liston's adopted State) said 'NO'.

After some brief discussions, both Michigan and Kentucky agreed,
it would be bad to allow the fight to be sanctioned, and they also changed their vote to a 'NO'.

Of course, the Cassius Clay 'Lovers' will state that the fight in Miami
Beach was 100% legitimate, because Clay won,

But, the Championship Fight in itself was 'secondary', because it was
all about 'future' revenue.
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Old 11-12-2012, 09:06 AM   #2
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The fight stunk rotten from the beginning.
Miami was suspect. Lewiston was blatant.
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Old 11-12-2012, 09:19 AM   #3
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The fight stunk rotten from the beginning.
Miami was suspect. Lewiston was blatant.

Mr. Unforgven,

Let's see how many Cassius Clay 'Lovers' can come up with a logical reason why
all 29 of the State Boxing Commissioners refused to sanction the rematch, despite
the opportunity to reap in some decent dollars.

Did the Boxing Commissions know something,,,,,,,You Bet They Did...
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Old 11-12-2012, 09:23 AM   #4
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Old 11-12-2012, 09:24 AM   #5
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It did indeed stink to high heaven, but there are plenty of people other than "Clay lovers" (by then Muhammad Ali) who take it at face value.
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Old 11-12-2012, 10:08 AM   #6
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Nobody wanted the 'second fight'

New York, Los Angeles and Miami Beach all said no.

Edward Bohn, State Boxing Commissioner for Colorado called the first bout
a 'second-rate theatrical affair'.

He had his team look into the before fight 'ongoings' and found so many
irregularities, which were unbelievable.

His conculusion, 'I don't want the rematch, even if it was the last boxing event
ever be held on the Planet Earth'.

That Miami Beach farce, was right out of P.T. Barnum's book. Sonny Liston having
a team of doctors on hand, to confirm his shoulder injury. I heard, they even taped
up the wrong shoulder when he came out of the hospital. Then they rushed him back in,
and retaped his left shoulder.

'And Clay's burning eyes. That was a Chris Dundee wrestling gag, which I have seen
so many times before. The participant gets something in his eyes, and tries to get the
referee's attention, who pays no mind. Who the hell are they trying to kid.'
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Old 11-12-2012, 02:26 PM   #7
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What were the odds for 1st rd ko must have been about 50/1

The crooks must have made millions
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Old 11-12-2012, 02:32 PM   #8
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What were the odds for 1st rd ko must have been about 50/1

The crooks must have made millions
Not sure if there were any large bets on this bout, with Sonny
as an 8-5 Betting-Favorite.

Jack Dempsey had the best line, when questioned about the fight.

'We will never hear the bell for start of Round 2. Clay and Patterson is already set for Las Vegas'.
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Great scholarship, Pepe.

Lewiston was a farce and a sham. No one would touch it but little, nowhere Lewiston. Wasn't St Domenic's a high school auditorium at one point? Seriously, a high school auditorium for the heavyweight championship of the world, attended by 2400 people, but people want to proclaim today's division sucks?
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Old 11-12-2012, 04:05 PM   #10
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Mr. Seamus,

The bout was supposed to be held at the Boston Garden, until the State District Attorney
of Boston - 'Mr. Garrett Byrne' - found 'many' irregularities, and was informed of a potential tank job.

He shut it down on May 7th, 18-days before the scheduled bout at the Boston Garden.

William Faversham Jr. (Cassius Clay's Manager) had friends in Maine (Poland Spring area),
and they moved everything north of Massachusetts into Maine.

A 'youth center hockey rink' in Lewiston, Maine.

A third-rate promotion would be an understatement.

The best action of the evening, when George Chuvalo attacked Cassius Clay in the
ring after Sonny Liston did a 'swan dive'.

George busted Clay in the ribs, and that set off a 'real rhubarb'.
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Irony : the photograph of the debacle in Maine has gone down as an iconic piece of pop culture, symbolizing 'the greatness and heroism of Muhammad Ali'.

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Old 11-13-2012, 06:16 AM   #12
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Meanwhile, back in the real world...

The 29 state commissions which comprised the WBA voted to forbid the Ali-Liston rematch. The vote was 27-2, the remaining two commissions subsequently falling into line.

The reason was that the contract for the first fight stipulated that Liston's promotional company would have the right to specify Ali's next opponent. While not technically a rematch clause, this was held to violate the spirit of the WBA's rule against such clauses.

The decision was in no way a commentary on the outcome of the first fight, nor on the likely outcome of the second. There is nothing strange about individual commissions' reluctance to break their ties with the WBA (as Maine eventually did) in order to stage a single championship bout.
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Old 11-13-2012, 08:37 AM   #13
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Solomon,

Edward Bohn (Colorado Boxing Commission Chairman) had evidence that a team
of doctors were already lined up to state that Sonny Liston had an injured shoulder,
following his bout with Cassius Clay in February 1964.

Plus a bunch of film and photo's of Sonny entering the hospital that night after the
fight, with no apparent problems with the left shoulder.
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