Fat Dan: Wlad "one of the greatest heavyweight champions in history"

Originally Posted by HoldMyBeer

do you know what vitali said to me when i read his mind?
he said...

" if i grew up wearing hatred on my sleeve and i banded together with groups of other people who thought the same way, then i would have lost my way to my heavyweight dreams.
i would have lacked the focus and discipline to be a great boxer, and kickboxer, because i would have stopped believing in myself and would have become a thug, a nobody "

thats what he said to me

Did he say this to you before or after he destroyed and knocked out Chris Byrd?

[HoldMyBeer]

Originally Posted by Rudolph

alts should be banned

yes they should

[HoldMyBeer]

Originally Posted by Ukrainian

Did he say this to you before or after he destroyed and knocked out Chris Byrd?

he said it before and afterwards..then he woke up

[theboss]

There isn't ten guys who would be favoured to beat him head to head ( Unless your a moron ) There isn't anyone who has dominated to his extent . He is at least up there in KO percentage . Only LARRY and LOUIS have more defences and they arguably should have lost a couple in LARRYs case and at least one in JOES case ( that be his first fight with JERSEY JOE ) Claiming he isnt in the top 3 or 4 is completely retarded let alone debating his top ten status .

[ImElvis666]

When Wlad retires basically all respected journalists, magazines etc will have Wlad a top 15, if not, top 10 heavyweight of all time. For whatever reason that respect doesn't seem to be shared by most fans/forumites. It's an odd one.

[HoldMyBeer]

Originally Posted by ImElvis666

When Wlad retires basically all respected journalists, magazines etc will have Wlad a top 15, if not, top 10 heavyweight of all time. For whatever reason that respect doesn't seem to be shared by most fans/forumites. It's an odd one.

the sanders fight was a defining moment in wlad's career and it did 2
things :

1. it showed how mentally strong wlad is. to come back from that, redefine yourself as a fighter and reclaim top spot in a division which will always have big punchers deserves respect because thats a difficult thing to achieve

2. it made wlad change the way he fought. someone said in another post earlier that wlad intimidates people with his size, not his aggression.
thats true, but that wasnt the case before the sanders demolition, but it was a necessary change after it

wlad is a terrific boxer, but those whiskers are always going to be a sticking point in any fantasy debate against any other HW

people using 'quality of opposition' to downplay wlad, though, are doing it all wrong - a fighter can only beat the best opposition available, just ask anderson silva

[Szeklerdude]

Originally Posted by PowerHoock

yes
no
hell no!

you overrate Marciano

[Rudolph]

http://s017.radikal.ru/i405/1211/db/70b68e8203fa.jpg

[gobblock]

Is that like William "Refrigerator" Perry?

[Chiko_Tech]

I think the only fighter that can give Wlad hell is Arreola because of His great punch, intense pressure and granite chin, at least make Wlad sweat. For achievement a victory over Povetkin could increase his resume.

[JAB5239]

Originally Posted by madballster

"In his prime" means that all attributes (physical, discipline, mental maturity, self-esteem) are lined up at their maximum in a fighter's career. Looking at Wlad from 2002 I see a 26 year old guy who isn't anywhere close to being in at his peak performance capabilities.l

What you're describing is peak. In your opinion what is the difference between prime and peak?

[JAB5239]

Originally Posted by Ukrainian

Do you read Vitali's mind? You little punk. You are just one of them. Vitali is the greatest HW champion of all times and will dominate any era.

Originally Posted by Ukrainian

Keep thinking that we are trolling. So the rest of the world has come to this now? When a real Vitali fan finally speaks his mind, it is considered trolling? What the fuck do you want Jiboogey? For us to bow and show respect to Ali and Foreman and all the past progandaed American Blacks?

We will not do that. You want us to say 'yes sir' no sir' and get brain washed like you? Vitali is bigger, stronger, more skilled,tougher and more powerful than any black champion. Deal with it.

Is that why he was beaten by two black fighters in the last era?

[JAB5239]

Originally Posted by Montero

Lou DiBella and Dan Rafael said it several times during the Epix broadcast of Wlad's beatdown of Wach Saturday.

Freddie Roach has said it several times over the years as well.

All logical, knowledgeable, unbiased boxing insiders are pretty much in agreement on this subject. Wlad is a top ten ATG.

Unless they understand the history of every fighter in the top 10, their opponents and their era's than an it's just an opinion. An opinion that has yet to be shared by people who do understand these things because his career is not over.

[gobblock]

Originally Posted by JAB5239

Unless they understand the history of every fighter in the top 10, their opponents and their era's than an it's just an opinion. An opinion that has yet to be shared by people who do understand these things because his career is not over.

His career isn't even over yet and he's already established himself as a consensus heavyweight top 10 all-time great. Even more impressive.

[JAB5239]

Originally Posted by gobblock

His career isn't even over yet and he's already established himself as a consensus heavyweight top 10 all-time great. Even more impressive.

Well that should be great for you and make it easy to give links to all these credible sources who rank him top 10 all time. I know I asked you this last night and you ducked it like a Vitaly-Byrd rematch, but maybe I'll have more luck today!