lennox's resume is hardly better than wlad's

[RememberingC.S.]

not to mention that Lennox Lewis always refused to fight southpaws: he never fighted one, even if there were around the likes of Sultan Ibragimov, but moslty, Corrie Sanders, that was one of the , if not _the_ most dangerous southpaw ever in boxing hw; with Valuev, it's not clear who ducked who, but the fact is that Valuev could have koed Lennoz with the contrary not so likely to happen.
Ah, and all of this, if you consider the mc call 2 a real fight.... McCall came directly from his rehab in that...rematch, he wasn't even trained properly, and went in a crazy mental state during the fight, crying (!) and refusing to do anything.... a gift rematch

[IntentionalButt]

It is, and a lot of it's down to available selection, but to discerning eyes Lennox (especially the post-Kronking finished article) is also simply better than WK (even the post-Kronking finished article).

[Atlanta]

TKO6 Deal with it.

[irishny]

Originally Posted by RememberingC.S.

not to mention that Lennox Lewis always refused to fight southpaws: he never fighted one, even if there were around the likes of Sultan Ibragimov, but moslty, Corrie Sanders, that was one of the , if not _the_ most dangerous southpaw ever in boxing hw; with Valuev, it's not clear who ducked who, but the fact is that Valuev could have koed Lennoz with the contrary not so likely to happen.
Ah, and all of this, if you consider the mc call 2 a real fight.... McCall came directly from his rehab in that...rematch, he wasn't even trained properly, and went in a crazy mental state during the fight, crying (!) and refusing to do anything.... a gift rematch

The most dangerous southpaw ever in heavyweight boxing...wow

[JAB5239]

Originally Posted by sbbigmike

**** does this mean




Please explain so I can tear this weak ass argument to shreds, and honestly black and white has everything to do with Klit hate

Really? Please explain so I can tear this weak ass argument to shreds.

[Rudyard]

Originally Posted by RememberingC.S.

not to mention that Lennox Lewis always refused to fight southpaws: he never fighted one, even if there were around the likes of Sultan Ibragimov, but moslty, Corrie Sanders, that was one of the , if not _the_ most dangerous southpaw ever in boxing hw; with Valuev, it's not clear who ducked who, but the fact is that Valuev could have koed Lennoz with the contrary not so likely to happen.
Ah, and all of this, if you consider the mc call 2 a real fight.... McCall came directly from his rehab in that...rematch, he wasn't even trained properly, and went in a crazy mental state during the fight, crying (!) and refusing to do anything.... a gift rematch

This post is too funny!

[Threetime no1]

Originally Posted by sbbigmike

**** does this mean

Please explain so I can tear this weak ass argument to shreds, and honestly black and white has everything to do with Klit hate

Delete. Because the pleb's not worth it.


Please explain so i can tear this weak ass argument to shreds, and honestly black and white has everything to do with Klit hate

[Primenal]

I think this is fair break down:
Lennox Lewis: Great fighter whos resume gets over rated by a lot of fans.
Wlad: Great fighter whos resume gets under rated by a lot of fans.

I'd venture to say 75% of it is racism, or pride in ones country.
I'd say LL has a slightly better resume, and overall is a better fighter (he had an inside game), but Wlad deserves more respect, has beaten everybody willing to fight him, and is closely behind Lewis.
Both got knocked out by guys they shouldn't have been knocked out by.

[Hands of Iron]

Originally Posted by Threetime no1

Hey bro i know you don't include me in that.


Nice rating for Lewis btw friend.

You know what it is. LL is The Man

Originally Posted by irishny

Never said he wasnt good. Just not the ATG that his fans make him out to be.

Hes still the youngest heavyweight champ of all time, although I think Holyfield legitimately beat him twice.

Holyfield doesnt get NEARLY enough credit for those wins.

A past prime Tyson is still a shit load better than a past prime Mormeck for example.

I give Holyfield all the credit in the world for those wins. Tyson may not be an ATG in a p4p sense, but he certainly cuts the qualifier amongst Heavyweights. In all sense of reality, guys like Tony Tucker or Razor Ruddock, a past-it Holmes (who'd tool Mercer around and win as many rounds against Holy as he lasted against Tyson a full four years on) are better heavyweights than Dempsey or Jack Jackson ever met in the ring. In fact, it's likely they wouldn't ever step in the ring with them what with their shameless record of ducking and drawing color lines as champions. They're probably even better than any challengers Wlad has met. Tyson cut and rippled through the division as it was in his time and has more wins (in more dominant fashion) over world rated opposition than Frazier, Marciano, Holyfield, Foreman or Liston and 2 fewer than Lewis. His top win(s) arent all that but his skills were, his depth is, his dominance was and as was his title reign. ATG Heavyweight? Shouldnt even be a question.

[sbbigmike]

Originally Posted by Hands of Iron

You know what it is. LL is The Man



I give Holyfield all the credit in the world for those wins. Tyson may not be an ATG in a p4p sense, but he certainly cuts the qualifier amongst Heavyweights. In all sense of reality, guys like Tony Tucker or Razor Ruddock, a past-it Holmes (who'd tool Mercer around and win as many rounds against Holy as he lasted against Tyson a full four years on) are better heavyweights than Dempsey or Jack Jackson ever met in the ring. In fact, it's likely they wouldn't ever step in the ring with them what with their shameless record of ducking and drawing color lines as champions. They're probably even better than any challengers Wlad has met in a reality sense. Tyson cut and rippled through the division as it was in his time and has more wins (in more dominant fashion) over world rated opposition than Frazier, Marciano, Holyfield, Foreman or Liston. His top win(s) arent all that but his skills were, his depth is, his domimance was and as was his title reign. ATG Heavyweight? Shouldnt even be a question.

Evan Fields don't deserve credit for shit

[JeanPaulValley]

Originally Posted by sbbigmike

Evan Fields don't deserve credit for shit

Holyfield was never proven to use anything. It's called innocent until PROVEN guilty. Nothing was proven,it's all speculation. So why single him out?
Tommy Morrison said they were all on steroids in the 90's. You can bet Bowe,Tyson,Lennox,Ibeabuchi were all on steroids for time. Even good ol' Vitali was on them but in his case it was actually proven.

[JeanPaulValley]

Lewis best win is Tua followed by Rudock. All his other wins were over old fighters,drug addicts or old drug addicts.
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[JeanPaulValley]

Originally Posted by RememberingC.S.

not to mention that Lennox Lewis always refused to fight southpaws: he never fighted one, even if there were around the likes of Sultan Ibragimov, but moslty, Corrie Sanders, that was one of the , if not _the_ most dangerous southpaw ever in boxing hw; with Valuev, it's not clear who ducked who, but the fact is that Valuev could have koed Lennoz with the contrary not so likely to happen.
Ah, and all of this, if you consider the mc call 2 a real fight.... McCall came directly from his rehab in that...rematch, he wasn't even trained properly, and went in a crazy mental state during the fight, crying (!) and refusing to do anything.... a gift rematch

Lewis was battered by Ray Mercer and many thought Mercer won.
Mercer wanted a rematch and suggested giving the fight procedes to charity but Lewis refused.

[Brownies]

Originally Posted by paypayvay

seriously , lennox fans are always talking about how " this era sucks " as if lewis fought in the golden age of boxing , let's examine the 90's :

-fossils from the 70's and early 80's were still in contention for the title ( Tony Tucker , george foreman )
-bruce seldon was a world champion
-frank bruno was a world champion
-françois botha was a world champion
-the scary light heavyweight Michael Moorer was a multiple times world champion
-Shannon Briggs was the man to beat for the lineal title

and even in that weak era, lennox managed to get KTFO'd twice by limited / one-trick ponied opponents when he was regarded as the number 1 heavyweight in the world and held major titles .

other than limited opponents and two washed up names , who did he beat ?

>>>>TKO 6 was his best win , and it's the only reason he should be ranked " slightly " above wlad .

I hate this kind of argumentation. Let's say you're a fan of A and I'm a fan of B. I'll talk about all the negative things about A and you'll talk about all the negatives things about B. We'll never reach an agreement this way.

[Montero]

Look, whether you're a Lennox lover/hater or a Wlad lover/hater, you've got to put your bias aside and recognize some things:

1. the 90's was a better HW era than this current one
2. there were more mainstream "names" in Lewis' era
3. Lewis had more exciting fights than Wlad has so far
4. Wlad has had to split the division with his bother

But on the other hand...

5. Wlad has fought every single willing and available contender out there, while Lewis did avoid some guys
6. Wlad's reign has arguably been longer, more dominant and consistent than Lewis'
7. Wlad has won and defended more title belts than Lewis ever did
8. by the time Wlad retires he'll have 20+ more pro fights (and KO's) than Lewis and 10+ more title defenses

So all in all it comes down to this - these 2 ATG, first ballot hall of fame HWs will always be compared to each other because they have had very similar careers. When it comes to ATG ranking, it depends on what your preference is. Do you prefer Lewis' stronger era, or Wlad's longevity and consistency over a longer time frame?