Oscar Bonavena vs. Earnie Shavers

The Kurgan · 09-12-2009, 03:45 PM

Bombs away!

red cobra · 09-12-2009, 04:02 PM

Bonavena by a knockout in the 5th. A clean knockout resulting from a left to the temple. Unitil then, Oscar is awkward and believe it, savvy enough to avoid being knocked out, and when that ever happens, you've defanged Earnie. Bonavana was a rough, strong, dangerous customer and would have taken Shavers.

janitor · 09-12-2009, 04:15 PM

I would be inclined to think that Bonavena would survive long enough to land one of his bombs and close the deal.

People who think that Joe Frazier never beat a top end puncher are wrong.

junior-soprano · 09-12-2009, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by red cobra

Bonavena by a knockout in the 5th. A clean knockout resulting from a left to the temple. Unitil then, Oscar is awkward and believe it, savvy enough to avoid being knocked out, and when that ever happens, you've defanged Earnie. Bonavana was a rough, strong, dangerous customer and would have taken Shavers.

somewhat like this will probably be the outcome. bonavena was the better overall fighter then shavers. and could take a punch as well

djanders · 09-12-2009, 04:46 PM

Bombs away is right! My money would be on Bonavena in this one. This would probably be a fun fight to watch.

MRBILL · 09-12-2009, 05:20 PM

I always said that Bonavena was a tuff cookie who came to fight...... Crude? YES!! But he was a fighter.......... Against Shavers, I say its 50/50........ Bombs away.......

MR.BILL

Russell · 09-12-2009, 07:01 PM

Bonavena. Some of the bombs he ate from Frazier without even slowing down were unbelievable. People forget just how good a chin that dumb shit had.

PetethePrince · 09-12-2009, 07:32 PM

Bonavena largely due to durability.

Bummy Davis · 09-13-2009, 12:20 AM

Bonavena, Shavers had trouble with Short guys 5"10 Bob Stallings and Ron Stander owned him and Bonevena was a better 5"10 version...also Oscar took a good shot, he got got dropped by pinpont punchers like Ellis and Ali but overall he was solid and strong...but Earnie could always pull one out of the hat but lost to most of the better guys he fought

Duodenum · 09-13-2009, 01:16 AM

Earnie would be in big trouble here. Check out Bonavena/Chuvalo. Ringo displays some good footspeed and lateral movement in outmaneuvering George, not something he's widely noted for. The right hand he dropped Frazier on his face with in their first match might flatten Shavers for the count.

At the end of the Frazier rematch, Oscar actually was coming on a bit against a tiring champion. He'd have Earnie running on fumes if this one somehow got into the middle rounds.

red cobra · 09-13-2009, 08:01 AM

Oscar used an awkwardly effective "boxing" style against Chuvalo similar to the one Gene Fullmer used twice against Carmen Basilio. Oscar I think was aiming for a points win over Chuvalo and was at least a bit more clever against Chuvalo than was Jerry Quarry, who I think was gunning for a stoppage of some sort over George before he got careless and got hit.

he grant · 09-13-2009, 09:52 AM

I always thought Oscar was a 6' guy, anyway Shavers would have to fight a smart, controlled fight. If he did I can see him winning as I always viewed Oscar as a bit of a front runner. However, it is a terrific match up.

abraq · 09-13-2009, 12:49 PM

I have little doubt Bonavena would win this one.

Oscar seemed to go into another mode when he fought hard hitters as opposed to slick boxers. I mean he was durable as hell against hard hitters while he looked fallible against boxers like Ali and Ellis. When he set himself, as he did against the punchers, he could not be hurt. He had way more skills and boxing savvy than he has ever been credit for. Note how he moves around Joe Frazier and defend himself behind his crab defense in their first fight. He was physically very strong and had sufficient stamina for a long fight. And he could hit hard in his own right. All these are bad news for Shavers.

Bonavena by tko in the middle rounds.

ChrisPontius · 09-13-2009, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by red cobra

Oscar used an awkwardly effective "boxing" style against Chuvalo similar to the one Gene Fullmer used twice against Carmen Basilio. Oscar I think was aiming for a points win over Chuvalo and was at least a bit more clever against Chuvalo than was Jerry Quarry, who I think was gunning for a stoppage of some sort over George before he got careless and got hit.

Bonavena should be credited as the only man who knocked Chuvalo down.

Russell · 09-13-2009, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisPontius

Bonavena should be credited as the only man who knocked Chuvalo down.

Uh Oh.

View Poll Results: Who wins?
Bonavena KO/TKO	27	69.23%
Bonavena PTS	3	7.69%
Shavers KO/TKO	9	23.08%
Shavers PTS	0	0%
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09-12-2009, 03:45 PM	#1
The Kurgan Emeritus Status Barbarian East Side VIP Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Scotland Posts: 10,773 vCash: 628	Oscar Bonavena vs. Earnie Shavers Bombs away!
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09-12-2009, 04:02 PM	#2
red cobra P4P King East Side VIP Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: The Sea of Tranquility Posts: 22,216 vCash: 1000	Re: Oscar Bonavena vs. Earnie Shavers Bonavena by a knockout in the 5th. A clean knockout resulting from a left to the temple. Unitil then, Oscar is awkward and believe it, savvy enough to avoid being knocked out, and when that ever happens, you've defanged Earnie. Bonavana was a rough, strong, dangerous customer and would have taken Shavers.
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09-12-2009, 04:15 PM	#3
janitor P4P King East Side VIP Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 19,058 vCash: 1000	Re: Oscar Bonavena vs. Earnie Shavers I would be inclined to think that Bonavena would survive long enough to land one of his bombs and close the deal. People who think that Joe Frazier never beat a top end puncher are wrong.
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09-12-2009, 04:46 PM	#5
djanders Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: United States Posts: 1,308 vCash: 1000	Re: Oscar Bonavena vs. Earnie Shavers Bombs away is right! My money would be on Bonavena in this one. This would probably be a fun fight to watch.
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09-12-2009, 05:20 PM	#6
MRBILL P4P King East Side VIP Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 17,249 vCash: 1000	Re: Oscar Bonavena vs. Earnie Shavers I always said that Bonavena was a tuff cookie who came to fight...... Crude? YES!! But he was a fighter.......... Against Shavers, I say its 50/50........ Bombs away....... MR.BILL
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09-12-2009, 07:01 PM	#7
Russell Undisputed Champion East Side VIP Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 12,164 vCash: 75	Re: Oscar Bonavena vs. Earnie Shavers Bonavena. Some of the bombs he ate from Frazier without even slowing down were unbelievable. People forget just how good a chin that dumb shit had.
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09-12-2009, 07:32 PM	#8
PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded East Side VIP Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 15,227 vCash: 1200	Re: Oscar Bonavena vs. Earnie Shavers Bonavena largely due to durability.
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09-13-2009, 12:20 AM	#9
Bummy Davis Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: New York Posts: 8,194 vCash: 1000	Re: Oscar Bonavena vs. Earnie Shavers Bonavena, Shavers had trouble with Short guys 5"10 Bob Stallings and Ron Stander owned him and Bonevena was a better 5"10 version...also Oscar took a good shot, he got got dropped by pinpont punchers like Ellis and Ali but overall he was solid and strong...but Earnie could always pull one out of the hat but lost to most of the better guys he fought
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09-13-2009, 01:16 AM	#10
Duodenum Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 6,700 vCash: 1000	Re: Oscar Bonavena vs. Earnie Shavers Earnie would be in big trouble here. Check out Bonavena/Chuvalo. Ringo displays some good footspeed and lateral movement in outmaneuvering George, not something he's widely noted for. The right hand he dropped Frazier on his face with in their first match might flatten Shavers for the count. At the end of the Frazier rematch, Oscar actually was coming on a bit against a tiring champion. He'd have Earnie running on fumes if this one somehow got into the middle rounds.
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09-13-2009, 08:01 AM	#11
red cobra P4P King East Side VIP Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: The Sea of Tranquility Posts: 22,216 vCash: 1000	Re: Oscar Bonavena vs. Earnie Shavers Oscar used an awkwardly effective "boxing" style against Chuvalo similar to the one Gene Fullmer used twice against Carmen Basilio. Oscar I think was aiming for a points win over Chuvalo and was at least a bit more clever against Chuvalo than was Jerry Quarry, who I think was gunning for a stoppage of some sort over George before he got careless and got hit.
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09-13-2009, 09:52 AM	#12
he grant Historian/Film Maker East Side Guru Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 6,478 vCash: 1000	Re: Oscar Bonavena vs. Earnie Shavers I always thought Oscar was a 6' guy, anyway Shavers would have to fight a smart, controlled fight. If he did I can see him winning as I always viewed Oscar as a bit of a front runner. However, it is a terrific match up.
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09-13-2009, 12:49 PM	#13
abraq Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: City - Guwahati, State - Assam, Country - India. Posts: 690 vCash: 1000	Re: Oscar Bonavena vs. Earnie Shavers I have little doubt Bonavena would win this one. Oscar seemed to go into another mode when he fought hard hitters as opposed to slick boxers. I mean he was durable as hell against hard hitters while he looked fallible against boxers like Ali and Ellis. When he set himself, as he did against the punchers, he could not be hurt. He had way more skills and boxing savvy than he has ever been credit for. Note how he moves around Joe Frazier and defend himself behind his crab defense in their first fight. He was physically very strong and had sufficient stamina for a long fight. And he could hit hard in his own right. All these are bad news for Shavers. Bonavena by tko in the middle rounds.
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