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Old 02-03-2008, 03:15 AM   #1
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...isn't it time to restore this to the original result? It was obviously changed as a political move to retain Chavez his '0'. Indeed, it was down as a loss for a while until Suliman claimed it was changed the next day. As this is bullshit and Chavez ended up being beaten anyway, methinks the loss to Ruiz should be restored.
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Old 02-03-2008, 03:25 AM   #2
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No argument here lol. It sounds like he did indeed hit him on the canvas. I'd like to see footage actually.
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Old 02-03-2008, 03:39 AM   #3
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...isn't it time to restore this to the original result? It was obviously changed as a political move to retain Chavez his '0'. Indeed, it was down as a loss for a while until Suliman claimed it was changed the next day. As this is bullshit and Chavez ended up being beaten anyway, methinks the loss to Ruiz should be restored.
Suppose that would be ok. Would it be too much to ask for Pernell Whitaker, Frankie Randall and Miguel Angel Gonzalez to be given W's in their fights against Chavez as well?

I don't ask for much, Chavez can keep the Meldrick Taylor win
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Old 02-03-2008, 04:05 AM   #4
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Suppose that would be ok. Would it be too much to ask for Pernell Whitaker, Frankie Randall and Miguel Angel Gonzalez to be given W's in their fights against Chavez as well?

I don't ask for much, Chavez can keep the Meldrick Taylor win

Good idea.
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Chavez hit the guy when the bell rang and Knocked him out, the ref waved it a DQ loss. His team lobbied to have the decision reversed and it got done. Why are people crying over this when its so insignificant and way early in his career?
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Old 02-03-2008, 05:12 PM   #7
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Chavez hit the guy when the bell rang and Knocked him out, the ref waved it a DQ loss. His team lobbied to have the decision reversed and it got done. Why are people crying over this when its so insignificant and way early in his career?
By the late 80s it was significant enough for DKP to resolve to remove the defeat and have Chavez's '0' put back in place; so the journey to 100-0 could be scripted and make Don some money as his main stay, when Tyson was put away.

An early dq defeat means very little normally, unless you are dealing with a perfect record, hence the reason I always bang on about Coley Wallace defeating Marciano after the Rock's debut.

Sure it does not take away anything from Marciano's achievements, but it does show Marciano did not retire and '0', same as Chavez was not 87 and 0 going into the Whitaker bout, but 86-1.
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Old 02-03-2008, 06:03 PM   #8
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Does the fight exist on tape? All legacy considerations aside, this should be decided by whether or not the call/overrule was legit, like any result appeal.
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By the late 80s it was significant enough for DKP to resolve to remove the defeat and have Chavez's '0' put back in place; so the journey to 100-0 could be scripted and make Don some money as his main stay, when Tyson was put away.

An early dq defeat means very little normally, unless you are dealing with a perfect record, hence the reason I always bang on about Coley Wallace defeating Marciano after the Rock's debut.

Sure it does not take away anything from Marciano's achievements, but it does show Marciano did not retire and '0', same as Chavez was not 87 and 0 going into the Whitaker bout, but 86-1.
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Much as I like some of your other posting, you seem to be a brick wall when it comes to the "amateur-matches-are-transformed-into-professional-fights-and-go-on-professional-records-when-you-have-them-at-the-wrong-time-but-only-if-you're-undefeated-and-it-would-be-perceived-as-damaging-your-legacy" topic, so rather than repeat my points yet again when you turned the topic that way, I thought I'd just vent my frustration by clicking up a bunch of emoticons and posting them.
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Chavez hit the guy when the bell rang and Knocked him out, the ref waved it a DQ loss. His team lobbied to have the decision reversed and it got done. Why are people crying over this when its so insignificant and way early in his career?
That's interesting, because all i looked up yesty said he hit him while on the canvas but deeper inspection shows a split between hitting on/after the bell and hitting him on the canvas. Weird.
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Old 02-04-2008, 06:47 AM   #13
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Sounds a bit like, in spirit at least, when Tyson DQ win over Ferguson was switched to a TKO so King could keep that streak rolling too.
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...isn't it time to restore this to the original result? It was obviously changed as a political move to retain Chavez his '0'. Indeed, it was down as a loss for a while until Suliman claimed it was changed the next day. As this is bullshit and Chavez ended up being beaten anyway, methinks the loss to Ruiz should be restored.
I don't really see what difference it would make now, other than admitting it was a work to begin with.
Don't see it happening.
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Old 02-04-2008, 11:46 AM   #15
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Chavez hit the guy when the bell rang and Knocked him out, the ref waved it a DQ loss. His team lobbied to have the decision reversed and it got done. Why are people crying over this when its so insignificant and way early in his career?

Because it was done from a marketing standpoint and reeks of more King 'trickerations'. Being apparently insignificant, it shouldn't have happened in the first place. Did his team really 'lobby' or was it just done for him anyway? Maybe every DQ can be changed too, that's be great wouldn't it. No one's crying. In fact, it's only you that seems upset by it.
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