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Old 11-19-2012, 01:46 PM   #361
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Look at the scorecards.
It was a whipping.

The biggest money fights are fought in Vegas in front of 10k fans.

The gate isnt where the real money is.
But Ward cannot attract 10K in Vegas can he? He can barely do that in jOkeland.
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Old 11-19-2012, 01:48 PM   #362
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You missed my point. The size of the croed is only a small part of the revenue.
30K people at an average of 100 USD is a 'small part'.
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Old 11-19-2012, 01:49 PM   #363
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30K people at an average of 100 USD is a 'small part'.
It is small, the purse, the tv contracts, sponsorships and ppv buys all make up a larger share of what a fighter would earn, compared to the gate
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Old 11-19-2012, 01:54 PM   #364
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Ward has fought in Atlantic city which is similiar to Vegas. I see no issue as to why he wouldnt fight in Vegas. Theres no 50k seater in Denmark as has been mentioned and theres no where in Nottingham that holds 50k either. Theres only a select few places in Britain that holds that kind of crowd,and its debateable whether they'd be able to simply get one of those stadiums,and if they did, they're NOT getting 50k at the fights.

As for your question about which place is financially better.
Theres this thing called TV revenue......

How many Americans are going to tune into a fight thats on in the middle of the afternoon?
We will see who makes the biggest offer if a pursebid is made. Idoubt if it generates more money in the US. As I've already said Kessler made more fighting Allan Green than Ward did against Dawson. That should indicate what amount Ward/Goosen has to offer as I doubt Kessler will be a bigger draw in the US than Dawson.

To throw a little more figures for your ignorant ass I can inform you that Kessler - Calzaghe generated 2M USD for the promotor. I'm quite sure that Kessler-Ward will sell better than that.
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Old 11-19-2012, 02:12 PM   #365
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Ward has fought in Atlantic city which is similiar to Vegas. I see no issue as to why he wouldnt fight in Vegas. Theres no 50k seater in Denmark as has been mentioned and theres no where in Nottingham that holds 50k either.
Theres only a select few places in Britain that holds that kind of crowd,and its debateable whether they'd be able to simply get one of those stadiums,and if they did, they're NOT getting 50k at the fights.

As for your question about which place is financially better.
Theres this thing called TV revenue......

How many Americans are going to tune into a fight thats on in the middle of the afternoon?
3 Arena's in the UK that hold 20000 +

2 Covered stadiums that could accomodate 75000,and 90000 without utilising pitch space seating.

At least 40 football stadiums that could hold 50000 once pitch seating is installed,and many that could hold almost twice that.

Hatton and Calzaghe have both had 50000+ crowds
Eubank vs Benn had 40000+
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Old 11-19-2012, 02:24 PM   #366
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Does Ward know where Vegas is? Or wont he go there either?

Plus how can 9k in the US probably not even sold out, possibly be better than 50k in a packed out stadium?
Because the overall PPV money from the U.S. fans would probably generate more money than the 50k in the stadium and their PPV.

Kessler fought Calzaghe in front of 50,000 fans in Cardiff in Nov 2007, and the PPV numbers in the U.K. were also pretty good. But outside of Europe, that fight wasn't big news.

In May of that year, De la Hoya fought Floyd in Vegas in front of around only 16,000 fans. But it was the biggest grossing fight of all time!

All the biggest fights in the World happen in Vegas in front of around 16,000 fans.

If Floyd ever fights Manny, it will probably be in Vegas.

If the gate was that important, all the fights would be held in NFL stadiums.

Chisora vs Haye had a bigger gate than Oscar vs Floyd.


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Old 11-19-2012, 02:27 PM   #367
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lol Kessler and Froch fans keep complaining about where Ward fight but we dont see Kessler or Wards people making any offers to Ward
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Old 11-19-2012, 02:28 PM   #368
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Americans is one thing but are we discounting the UK tv audience ?
Uk people will tune in at 5 am American fans wont tune in in the middle of the day we have shit to do
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Old 11-19-2012, 02:41 PM   #369
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Kessler in Denmark. By far.
Hi mate, I don't think so.

The PPV audience in America is huge!

How many people in the U.S. would be interested in seeing Ward fight a guy who he's already beaten in Denmark?

What time would the fight be on?

In Denmark, they'd fight in front of 40,000 and they'd have good PPV money. But Denmark is only a small Country.

Pavlik is popular with fight fans in America. They like his style, and I think a fight between him and Ward would do good PPV numbers. I think that a lot of casual fans will buy into the Ward-Pavlik promotion.

If it does well, it will easily eclipse the money generated in Denmark.

So, I believe that Ward would earn more money fighting Pavlik in the U.S. depending on what the terms of the contract are.

But a good split of American PPV, would definitely be better than a good split of the gate in Denmark and their PPV. The numbers in the U.S. would be much higher, so he should make a lot more.


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Old 11-19-2012, 02:43 PM   #370
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Ward is not afraid of travelling because he couldnt grab his passport quick enough when Pascal vacated his title to fight Froch in the UK in a proper challenge for a foreign warrior .......... he rushed to the passport office excited to face Jerson Ravelo in the Cayman Islands to steal the belt :

He does not want to face these warriors in a fervent hostile atmosphere where he cannot think straight but will happily trot off to the Caribbean to fight bums like Roger Cantrell in idyllic tranquil settings

You know what S.O.G really stands for ??????

Sven. Ottke''s . Gameplan

He should come out to "Home On The Range" for his entrances
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Old 11-19-2012, 02:46 PM   #371
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Hi mate, I don't think so.

The PPV audience in America is huge!

How many people in the U.S. would be interested in seeing Ward fight a guy who he's already beaten in Denmark?

What time would the fight be on?

In Denmark, they'd fight in front of 40,000 and they'd have good PPV money. But Denmark is only a small Country.

Pavlik is popular with fight fans in America. They like his style, and I think a fight between him and Ward would do good PPV numbers. I think that a lot of casual fans will buy into the Ward-Pavlik promotion.

If it does well, it will easily eclipse the money generated in Denmark.

So, I believe that Ward would earn more money fighting Pavlik in the U.S. depending on what the terms of the contract are.

But a good split of American PPV, would definitely be better than a good split of the gate in Denmark and their PPV. The numbers in the U.S. would be much higher, so he should make a lot more.


Regards, Loudon.

They said that when Hatton fought Mayweather blah blah blah

Result - UK PPV Sales > USA PPV Sales
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Old 11-19-2012, 02:58 PM   #372
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The PPV audience in America is huge!
Not for andre ward it isn't.. Floydmayweather he is not

The fight being held in America means it is no more ppv worthy, folk in the states i doubt would be that interested in the fight wherever it was. Kessler is massive in Denmark and well supported around europe. PPV and a big venue is all alls that is needed.

And it wouldn't be the first time that they put a fight on in europe at a time that fits in with the USA fans would it?
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Old 11-19-2012, 02:59 PM   #373
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Ward had the guts to fight Kessler after just 20 fights and as a huge underdog. Who was Kessler fighting in his 21st fight?
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Old 11-19-2012, 02:59 PM   #374
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Hi mate, I don't think so.

The PPV audience in America is huge!

How many people in the U.S. would be interested in seeing Ward fight a guy who he's already beaten in Denmark?
Not many I think. Ward is not a big draw in himself.

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What time would the fight be on?
Probably aroun midnight.

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In Denmark, they'd fight in front of 40,000 and they'd have good PPV money. But Denmark is only a small Country.
I doubt very much that Ward-Kessler is PPV material in the US. Therefore it is in Denmark the most tv money are.

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Pavlik is popular with fight fans in America. They like his style, and I think a fight between him and Ward would do good PPV numbers. I think that a lot of casual fans will buy into the Ward-Pavlik promotion.

If it does well, it will easily eclipse the money generated in Denmark.

So, I believe that Ward would earn more money fighting Pavlik in the U.S. depending on what the terms of the contract are.
That's very possible. Big and easy money for Ward.


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But a good split of American PPV, would definitely be better than a good split of the gate in Denmark and their PPV. The numbers in the U.S. would be much higher, so he should make a lot more.
Very possible. If it is PPV that is. If not he'd probably make less than he did against Dawson.


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Old 11-19-2012, 06:13 PM   #375
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They said that when Hatton fought Mayweather blah blah blah

Result - UK PPV Sales > USA PPV Sales
Explain.
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