Pavlik Ward signed - Page 4

irishny · 11-19-2012, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by bailey

Easy win for Ward, the SMW division is so weak that Pavlik who hasnt done anything at SMW is one of the best on offer?

Its not weak, hes just beaten everyone.

And people really need to check this whole notion that Pavlik is some sort of bum.

Hes a former undiputed champ at middleweight and has only been beaten by the very best.

People are talking likes hes some 18-12-1 nobody!

DocLouis · 11-19-2012, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by dwighttsharpe

He's being (subtly) blackballed.

Ah makes sense. Can't really argue with that.

Sorry for the OT folks.

Hermit · 11-19-2012, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DocLouis

I thought he would have been more active since he "came back". I really only listed him based on potential. If he's inactive, he won't have a shot against anyone. Hopefully he gets it together & gets back in the ring. He hasn't fought in almost a year!

I heard he was training with Loew, would explain why he was at Jack's event, and was training full time and not going to do the last minute bouts that he wasn't prepared for anymore. He had a little girl that I'd guess could be his daughter that looked about one year or so old. Boxing is a tough business and I hope it does him good.

Cableaddict · 11-19-2012, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Boxing Fanatic

ridiculous fight

Not really.

Ward will win, of course. However, Pavlik is one tough, scrappy dude, and he's surely going to bring it to Ward. So, the really interesting thing will be how Ward fights him. Will Ward dance around and do that Mayweather thing that he does so well, or will we se the "new" Ward that demolished Dawson?

The answer is important, since Ward-Froch II is on the horizon, and Froch is looking mighty tough these days.

WatchfortheHook · 11-19-2012, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Hermit

I heard he was training with Loew, would explain why he was at Jack's event, and was training full time and not going to do the last minute bouts that he wasn't prepared for anymore. He had a little girl that I'd guess could be his daughter that looked about one year or so old. Boxing is a tough business and I hope it does him good.

I think you and Doc are not on the same page. Sounds like Doc is talking about Dirrell and you're talking about Darnell Boone

Cableaddict · 11-19-2012, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by EuroBot

Arreola-Stiverne as opener. Stiverne by brutal KO.

That's a very interesting matchup. It could end up being a great fight.

Hermit · 11-19-2012, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by WatchfortheHook

I think you and Doc are not on the same page. Sounds like Doc is talking about Dirrell and you're talking about Darnell Boone

Don't know why. Probably slipped a cog and was thinking about the thread about Boone beating Ward and being owed a rematch.

Dirrell blacklisted? WTF? Only guy I have a really good chance against Ward at this time. GBP thing because of his new promoter?

jeffjoiner · 11-19-2012, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by bailey

Easy win for Ward, the SMW division is so weak that Pavlik who hasnt done anything at SMW is one of the best on offer?

He should take on a real world beater like Charles Brewer or Juan Gimenez.

Now those were title defenses.

Atlanta · 11-19-2012, 07:06 PM

At least Pavlik is fighting Ward in Oakland, he'll get his ass beat but luckily minimal fans from his hometown will be there to witness this ass beating in person.

Pimp C · 11-19-2012, 07:52 PM

Don't like this fight for either but better than nothing I guess????

EuroBot · 11-19-2012, 08:03 PM

SMW is pretty much cleaned out. You have guys like Oosthuzien and Rodriguez on the way up, but they both need a career-defining, televised win to get them a shot at Ward. Pavlik will carry this fight on name recognition alone. It's pretty pointless but activity beats inactivity.

elchivito · 11-19-2012, 08:17 PM

Pavlik I think has improved abit under Garcia he hasnt looked that hungry since his 160 days. He needs a fight he can look good against and further boost his confidence before facing Ward if it ever happens. He should face Andrade which should be very fan friendly and then turn his attention to Bute. But Ward? Don't think so man.

Leonit · 11-19-2012, 08:18 PM

There is no better fight out there for Ward so I don't see why people are bitching. The fight makes sense financially and Pavlik is not some sort of a bum.

WatchfortheHook · 11-19-2012, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by elchivito

Pavlik I think has improved abit under Garcia he hasnt looked that hungry since his 160 days. He needs a fight he can look good against and further boost his confidence before facing Ward if it ever happens. He should face Andrade which should be very fan friendly and then turn his attention to Bute. But Ward? Don't think so man.

Well, some of that "hasn't looked hungry" factor is that I would imagine it is hard to get motivated to fight the Scott Sigmons and Alfonso Lopez's of the world when you were once a top guy who still has some ability left.

I wouldn't send him straight to Ward either. Going from Rosinsky to Ward is a big jump and Ward might be the best fighter Pavlik has faced (though maybe not the biggest uphill battle in a sense, Hopkins was about 185 on fight night while Pavlik was around 172 making the beating that much more ugly. Ward will probably be smaller than Pavlik on fight night, 176 I'd guess to Pavlik's 180). Not saying that Ward is better than Hopkins in an all-time sense, but that at 28 he's probably better than a 43 year old Hopkins. Maybe Pavlik's team views this as a no-lose proposition. If Ward owns him, well, it was supposed to happen and Pavlik would have several respectable siblings in that department. The flip side of the coin is if Pavlik pulls off the miracle upset, then he hit the jackpot.

The only real problem I have with the fight basically coincides with what I said above. If the fight goes according to plan (10-2 Ward or worse), then the fight proves nothing. We have no idea where to put Pavlik in the mass of "other" SMWs.

EDIT: Pavlik Andrade would have been fun in 2007-2008, and I really wish Pavlik went to SMW THEN , but now Andrade is totally and completely shot.

Big Red · 11-19-2012, 09:08 PM

Can't wait for this fight im a fan of both fighters, but it would be one of the greatest wins in a long time if Pavlik won.The good thing is Pavlik can lose every round and be in just about the same boat as everyone else imo. If he wants to keep fighting he should be able to get good fights even if he gets dominated.

A fight vs Froch, Kessler or Chavez could be real good fights that can be made after Pavlik is done with Ward.

11-19-2012, 07:06 PM	#54
Atlanta Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 9,351 vCash: 528	Re: Pavlik Ward signed At least Pavlik is fighting Ward in Oakland, he'll get his ass beat but luckily minimal fans from his hometown will be there to witness this ass beating in person.
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11-19-2012, 07:52 PM	#55
Pimp C I Ain't Got No Worries East Side VIP Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 30,606 vCash: 75	Re: Pavlik Ward signed Don't like this fight for either but better than nothing I guess????
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11-19-2012, 08:03 PM	#56
EuroBot Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Madrid Posts: 1,111 vCash: 500	Re: Pavlik Ward signed SMW is pretty much cleaned out. You have guys like Oosthuzien and Rodriguez on the way up, but they both need a career-defining, televised win to get them a shot at Ward. Pavlik will carry this fight on name recognition alone. It's pretty pointless but activity beats inactivity.
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11-19-2012, 08:17 PM	#57
elchivito master betty East Side VIP Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: section 8 Posts: 10,236 vCash: 130	Re: Pavlik Ward signed Pavlik I think has improved abit under Garcia he hasnt looked that hungry since his 160 days. He needs a fight he can look good against and further boost his confidence before facing Ward if it ever happens. He should face Andrade which should be very fan friendly and then turn his attention to Bute. But Ward? Don't think so man.
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Leonit Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Todorov UD Maywether Posts: 5,024 vCash: 0	Re: Pavlik Ward signed There is no better fight out there for Ward so I don't see why people are bitching. The fight makes sense financially and Pavlik is not some sort of a bum.
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11-19-2012, 09:08 PM	#60
Big Red Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 1,206 vCash: 1036	Re: Pavlik Ward signed Can't wait for this fight im a fan of both fighters, but it would be one of the greatest wins in a long time if Pavlik won.The good thing is Pavlik can lose every round and be in just about the same boat as everyone else imo. If he wants to keep fighting he should be able to get good fights even if he gets dominated. A fight vs Froch, Kessler or Chavez could be real good fights that can be made after Pavlik is done with Ward.
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