Broner is going to massacre burns

[dftaylor]

Originally Posted by Scotty321

Sounds like Broner is up for it!

"Marquez and Manny Pacquiao have a fight. Marquez can still make 135, so we're going to see what happens with that fight, but for the most part we're going to go back to the drawing board with Al Haymon and Golden Boy Promotions. There are more big fights. Ricky Burns is one. He has a great following. He is another world champion, a world class fighter. We can make a big fight in Las Vegas or wherever but we're not going over there [to the UK]. We're in no hurry to jump [to another division]. This isn't Frogger. We're going to take our time crossing the street," Broner told the scene

The irony of having a "big" fight where neither fighter has any fans is apparently lost on Adrien.

[Scotty321]

Originally Posted by dftaylor

The irony of having a "big" fight where neither fighter has any fans is apparently lost on Adrien.

The crowd was decent last night. Not sure how many paid mind you.
Don't know if Broner has fans or just folks wanting to see him get whipped.

[Marlow]

Originally Posted by dftaylor

I'm unsure. It does seem like a 50-50 bout right now. I need to really look at both of them. Certainly I can imagine Broner tagging Ricky with sneaky counters in the first few rounds, but I can see the Scot's jab and movement taking over in the second half.

Like I say, I'll need more time, but I think Ricky has the tools to beat Broner and vice-versa. It'll all come down to execution on the night.

I'll be delighted if the bookies see this as a 50-50.

I don't see Burns movement being that big of a deal for Broner, boxing is all about opinions and its great that this has divided the forum.

I don't see Frank wanting any part of Broner, not when he can sell fights in Scotland against weak opposition.

[Scotty321]

Originally Posted by Marlow

I'll be delighted if the bookies see this as a 50-50.

I don't see Burns movement being that big of a deal for Broner, boxing is all about opinions and its great that this has divided the forum.

I don't see Frank wanting any part of Broner, not when he can sell fights in Scotland against weak opposition.

You never know. He threw Cleverly onto an undercard on Showtime to fish for B-Hop. I don't think HBO will have a long list of guys they want Broner to fight next. Abril and Vasquez are up there in the rankings but they aren't known for making exciting fights.

[PityTheFool]

Originally Posted by rabmac18

All those posting negative points about Ricky Burns need realise on how much Ricky as came on in recent years, his performance against mitchell was world class on how he dealt with him that cannot be denied however not sure liam walsh is an aproppriate warm up for Broner!!

Exactly.Some of us were following Ricky long before Martinez and that's why many of us are able to keep a lid on judging Ricky and give credit where it's due along with restraint where necessary.

Broner was superb last night,but let's remember that most of us have hit heavy bags with better movement than DeMarco.That's not to say for a second Ricky wins but it's a totally different fight.
Three weeks ago,the vast mahority on here were saying Vasquez was #1.Now a poor performance from him,a bad opponent(now pulled) for Ricky and a very good performance by Broner means that everyone else are now nonentities who aren't worthy of sharing a ring with Broner.
Burns beats Vasquez,Abril beats Demarco,Vasquez beats Abril,Burns could well beat Demarco,Abril would give Ricky problems and Broner could well beat them all.
But I knew that on Friday night.Nothing's changed.

[BlackBrenny]

Originally Posted by Boxalot

Genuinely don't understand your point.

Are you actually trying to suggest that a past it Michael Katsidis is better than a prime Antonio DeMarco?

dont understand his point? check the ricky burns vs michael katsidis poll on here pre-fight to see how many people picked burns to last past 4 rounds

I picked burns. wanna know why? its all the rage to say katsidis was shot after the fact, but THE FACT is that ricky burns at his best beats katsidis at his best, because burns had the style..To be honest, watch Katsidis vs Lozada( I know its Lozada) and tell me he looked any different than the Katsidis that fought Earl all those years ago, or the unbeaten Katsidis who beat a past it Liendo. Burns beats every Katsidis, all day every day

[PityTheFool]

Originally Posted by BlackBrenny

dont understand his point? check the ricky burns vs michael katsidis poll on here pre-fight to see how many people picked burns to last past 4 rounds

I picked burns. wanna know why? its all the rage to say katsidis was shot after the fact, but THE FACT is that ricky burns at his best beats katsidis at his best, because burns had the style..To be honest, watch Katsidis vs Lozada( I know its Lozada) and tell me he looked any different than the Katsidis that fought Earl all those years ago, or the unbeaten Katsidis who beat a past it Liendo. Burns beats every Katsidis, all day every day

It's quite scary to think just how many people picked Kat Brenny.

And the amount of people who plumped for Mitchell too.
But Martinez wasn't as good as people thought,Katsidis was shot and Mitchell was overrated.
If Ricky beats anyone in the top 4 or 5,they'll find a way to explain that too.

[BlackBrenny]

Originally Posted by TFFP

So what if DeMarco and Burns fight nothing alike...its a point well made but it doesn't automatically mean Burns troubles him because he has a different style. By no means is that the case. Broner has the ability to compensate for a wide range of styles. Particularly if you're not that special. Take a long hard look at that fight, one guy has a huge tool box and the other just has a screwdriver and a few nails. It's not competitive, anybody deluding themselves into thinking it is just because Ricky has a good jab is going to be sorely disappointed as much as it would be nice to see Ricky do it.

Broner has a good jab too, why do we think Burns automatically dominates that battle? Even if Burns does establish a jab whats to say somebody as advanced as Broner doesn't simply time him over the top? What is Burns going to do about his lack of any pop whatsoever when Broner starts riding his punches, picking them off, walking him down and completely dissecting his high guard with the huge punch arsenal he has straight through the middle to the body or round the side? What is Burns going to do about that power disparity when Broner starts doing what he did to his last 2 opponents, has Ricky really got any answers considering he won a competetive fight with a crude slugger like Martinez when under pressure?

Because Broner has lost a battle of the jabs before, from lesser jabbers than Burns, Broners jab is nothing but a range finder, you also severly overestimate his reflexes, Broner has been tagged easily by guys who dont telegraph their shots like De Marco does.

What toolbox does Broner have? beating a fighter on the inside when said fighter doesn't fight on the inside yet just sit and rests his chin on Broners left shoulder, asking for uppercut, after uppercut, after uppercut, after uppercut, after uppercut etc etc.


Broner is "advanced"? since when?



also, you mention Martinez, you know Martinez was the inside scrapper, and Burns apparently has no inside game...Yet Burns schooled Martinez on the inside with...uppercuts..

his last two opponents? are you including the Katisidis victim Escobedo in there? the same Escobedo who was woefully undersized and unfairly matched in his fight with Broner?

Ricky Burns is not Vincente Escobedo, Ricky Burns does not fight at one pace like Antonio De Marco..pull your tongue out of Broners ass

[BlackBrenny]

Originally Posted by PityTheFool

It's quite scary to think just how many people picked Kat Brenny.

And the amount of people who plumped for Mitchell too.
But Martinez wasn't as good as people thought,Katsidis was shot and Mitchell was overrated.
If Ricky beats anyone in the top 4 or 5,they'll find a way to explain that too.

Paulus Moses, Michael Katsidis, Kevin Mitchell were all RING top 10 when Burns beat them, but now? ****ing hell, what kind of BUMS has Ricky Burns been feasting on? let him fight a top ten fighter!!!...oh..wait...

[rockybronson]

Burns takes this ghetto bitch

[Scotty321]

Originally Posted by BlackBrenny

dont understand his point? check the ricky burns vs michael katsidis poll on here pre-fight to see how many people picked burns to last past 4 rounds

I picked burns. wanna know why? its all the rage to say katsidis was shot after the fact, but THE FACT is that ricky burns at his best beats katsidis at his best, because burns had the style..To be honest, watch Katsidis vs Lozada( I know its Lozada) and tell me he looked any different than the Katsidis that fought Earl all those years ago, or the unbeaten Katsidis who beat a past it Liendo. Burns beats every Katsidis, all day every day

Well I've picked Burns to win all his title fights but I'm still saying Broner will take him

[BlackBrenny]

Originally Posted by Boxalot

DeMarco WAS the concencus #1 at the weight, regardless of what you say. I'm fairly sure he was Ring Magazines #1 at the weight aswell as being WBC champ. Nobody at Lightweight has achieved a great deal so you could say he was the best of a bad bunch, but he was the concencus #1.

I don't doubt that you know a fair amount about boxing. One would have to assume that after 8000+ posts on a boxing forum you'd have know a thing or two, although looking at some of the things i've read from certain people on this site there would be no guarantee of that!

Broner HAS improved. There are quite a few similarities between PDL and DeMarco, although DeMarco is bigger and better in many ways. The fact that he went from arguably losing to PDL (he could easily have lost that fight) to absolutely hammering DeMarco shows this. It's also well documented that he - like Burns - struggled to make 130 and i think he'll get better and better. I think 135 and 140 will suit him very, very well.

DeMarco was a career best opponent for him and he produced a majestic performance, just like Burns vs Martinez, Katsidis and Mitchell. I don't see what's not to like? Make Burns vs Broner happen for the WBC/WBO Lightweight belts and may the best man win.

Vazquez was number 1, for quite a long while at that

[BlackBrenny]

Originally Posted by Scotty321

Well I've picked Burns to win all his title fights but I'm still saying Broner will take him

no problemo mate, im sure you have your reasons, do you think its an early round blowout?

[BlackBrenny]

another interesting point, Boxnation showed Burns vs Mitchell and Broner vs De Marco back to back today, take from that what you will

[DaveyboyEssexUK]

How fickle fans can be one fight after another , ok please get this fight in to perspective Demarco fought a shite fight he did everything wrong he gave Broner everything he could wish for. and stood in front of him and brawled, Demarco did not use his brain.

If Demarco had fought like that against burns he`d have got beaten. Would burns stand right in front of Broner and stick his chin out??? NOO!!! He would box and use all his advantages too the full and try to frustrate Broner.