Is it feasible to rank Wills over Dempsey in an ATG list?

[McGrain]

The idea that Dempsey wanted the fight but was unable to get it because of management is as insulting as anything else that's been written about him in this thread.

[Hands of Iron]

Burt, that's your cue to mention race riots, etc.

[lufcrazy]

Dempsey probably wasn't scared of wills but he could have forced the fight if he really wanted to.

He was practically king of the world when he was champ. It'd be like wlad saying blue wants to fight povetkin but his management won't let him. Ludicrous.

[HOUDINI]

No it is not. What you are saying goes against written history from that period. Once again the writings of Fleischer are very clear in this regard. Thinking that Dempsey could change promoters fears and alter the tide of the times in order to make the fight is revisionism in it's worst form. Read the true story as it was written at that time....not various snippets in an effort to weave your own story!

[Colonel Sanders]

interesting thread it turned out to be

[Hands of Iron]

Originally Posted by Colonel Sanders

interesting thread it turned out to be

You haven't seen anything.

Originally Posted by PowerPuncher

Burt enters the thread wanking his 90yo wrinkly **** over a 50s poll rating Dempsey as the best ever in 3-----2-----1



Do you have links to these articles/sources?

Originally Posted by Pachilles

Burt gon' verbally scissor kick you mother ****ers in the dome when he sees this

Originally Posted by burt bienstock

Why do you have to insult me PP ? I am old enough to be your father,and when I was your age, I would have taken you to the woodshed and given you a well deserved spanking...I try to be civil with you, but to no avail...You are so BRAVE to pick on a senior citizen 3000 miles away... ESB
is so proud of you...

Originally Posted by RockysSplitNose

I think most sane people on here have already deduced that PowderPuff is one of life's great loser's - I think once he's grown out of his nappies he'll probably come to realise this himself - all in good time

Originally Posted by manbearpig

Shut up SplitNose you short arsed little ****.

Powerpuncher's comment was hilarious to be fair. This is an internet forum.

Originally Posted by burt bienstock

Until he says those vile things to your dad or grandad...Luf so easy to laugh this off when YOU aren't affected...

Originally Posted by RockysSplitNose

McNobrain strikes again

Originally Posted by McGrain

I have no idea why you are attacking me. I said pp shouldn't be attacking Burt. I can't see how I should be subject to one of your weird little verbals. I was laughing at nightcrawler's "steaming shit" remark.


I seem to remember you got a ban for this nonsense a few weeks back.

Originally Posted by RockysSplitNose

Well if it happens ahead of people starting things by throwing around obscene and absolutely shockingly disrespectful insults at elders and then others positively encouraging people doing that then there is something VERY VERY wrong somewhere - you should have enough brain power to figure that out so do yourself a favour stop making it look like your backing up the assholes on here else your more likely to get the chop than me - if the people who run this board are sane adults with any real sense of justice that is

Originally Posted by McGrain

Buddy, **** off.

I said pp shouldn't be doing that, THEN i laughed at a joke someone who hadn't said anything negative about Burt said. Then you waded in.

If you're upset because I said I like Powerpuncher, there's nothing I can do about that, I like Powerpuncher.

Originally Posted by RockysSplitNose

There you go instantly resorting to F-Words be mccareful mcnobrain

Originally Posted by Nightcrawler

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Originally Posted by Pachilles

lets dance Joe Pesci

Originally Posted by Stonehands89

Is Joe Pesci a pretentious hipster? Take another look at that picture you googled, freak. I'm a lot better looking.

[LittleRed]

I wouldn't be part of any other boxing forum.

[Hands of Iron]

Originally Posted by LittleRed

I wouldn't be part of any other boxing forum.

Originally Posted by RockysSplitNose

You are a very VERY VERY sad bearfacedpig - you seriously need to get a life and the people looking after this forum would do well to get rid of you for good in my book - and you can take that as coming from the primary source of one of your peers

Originally Posted by RockysSplitNose

Funny how some talk about 'bias' on this forum when the usual suspects ACTUALLY PUT UP A SERIES OF THREADS IN A 'BIAS' DIRECTLY AGAINSTCERTAIN FIGHTERS (VERY VERY THINLY VEILED I MIGHT ADD)

Originally Posted by Pachilles

you've got abit of foam on your lip, bra

Originally Posted by burt bienstock

Don't be disingenuos, who in their right mind would say that Jess Willard would beat Ali in a 15 round fight.? No sane poster would say that.
Sir, it is YOU who are BIAS, and your ludicrous assertion proves that...

Originally Posted by McGrain

Gene Tunney makes that pick in the link you didn't bother to click on.

This place has went a bit nuts, I think.

Originally Posted by El Bujia

Shut up, you gay.

Originally Posted by manbearpig

McRain. SICK BURN.

Originally Posted by DigMona

I read an article where Tunney picked Dempsey to beat Marciano, Walcott and Charles on the same night.

The guy was a total troll.

Originally Posted by Pachilles

Im not no malnourished 15 year old, string bean, pot dealer, Karate Kid. Windswept haired, hipster ass, Daniel Larusso fighting style having mother ****er

Originally Posted by McGrain

I forgot about how mental things were going there for a little while on here.

[lufcrazy]

Originally Posted by HOUDINI

No it is not. What you are saying goes against written history from that period. Once again the writings of Fleischer are very clear in this regard. Thinking that Dempsey could change promoters fears and alter the tide of the times in order to make the fight is revisionism in it's worst form. Read the true story as it was written at that time....not various snippets in an effort to weave your own story!

I don't think Dempsey was scared of him but he undoubtedly could have done more to male the fight had he so desired.

[HOUDINI]

That is not true based on the events as they happened when they happened. It's well written about by those that were there at that time! Why speculate and make up your own story?

[McGrain]

Originally Posted by HOUDINI

That is not true based on the events as they happened when they happened. It's well written about by those that were there at that time! Why speculate and make up your own story?

I don't know quite who you are talking to, but PP's story is supported almost entirely by primary sources - people who were there at the time - he linked a lot of them. They've been linked on this forum many times.

All you've produces is a copy & paste job of an article by the fighter under discussion interviewed many years after the event.

As far as credibility goes, he's an absolute street ahead of you.

[Lester1583]

Originally Posted by orriray59

Am I the only one who thinks Mike Tyson is clearly superior to Dempsey?

Nat Fleischer will haunt your nightmares forever.

[ChrisPontius]

Originally Posted by HOUDINI

Absolute crap. It is an historical truth that Dempsey wanted to fight Wills.

[Loads of excuses without primary sources]

Wow, thanks for that extensive lesson is how to refute a man's argument without offering a single valid one of your own.

That poor Dempsey, eh? He had no say in what he did or didn't do, just a puppet on a string with no power to make money for others. He wanted that fight with Banana Sam for years, but that bastard Rickard wouldn't go for it, and made Jack sit on the throne for 3 years and fight losers of title eliminators as punishment.

[HOUDINI]

You are just sadly mistaken. It's called revisionism. Taking events that have already happened and twisting them to be something they are not. What Dempsey was is written in stone. Those that saw him, Louis, Marciano and Ali rated Dempsey as good or better. Arcel stated..."what Dempsey knew you can't teach" as one example. Fleischer rated Jack over Louis and we all should know how great Louis was....right? So here you are 85 or so years after he lost his title, after all those have already spoken of him as one of boxings all time great talents and you discount all this for what reason?

[HOUDINI]

What you need to do is study a bit as to what those who saw Dempsey live, expert opinion, said of him. Fleischer is a great source and he wrote extensively on the subject. Unlike you and I he knew both men personally. He stated factually that Dempsey had no issue fighting Wills and it was Rickard who called the shots in this regard. If you want to make things up, go ahead, in the end you just get less educated concerning boxing history.