George Foreman best bareknuckle fighter ever ?

[HOUDINI]

TYson quit several times during fights. He fouled out rather than be koed vs Holyfield. He wanted to quit vs Lewis. You see the same self doubt with Tyson as an amateur so it was always there. VERY flawed fighter....between the ears.

[Theron]

Originally Posted by Azzer85

he lost any desire or guts he had in the sport after the Holyfield losses.

Foreman isnt some sort of super hero your trying to make out, hes just a bully, just like Tyson was. Foreman evidently mentally folded more than Tyson ever did.

Actually Tyson said he didn't have the desire after the 2 Razor Ruddock fights not the Holyfield ones and are you kidding me Foreman folded mentally how could a man that became the oldest heavyweight champion in history fold mentally, that comment makes no sense whatsoever.... Tyson got beat by Kevin Mcbride and Mcbride wasn't near the same fighter as the guys Foreman was fighting when he was older than the Tyson of that bout and don't give me Tyson was in prison bullshit Foreman was out for 10 years didn't even see a boxing glove

[HOUDINI]

It is true that Foreman had a tough time dealing with losing to Ali. That's a we rate issue concerning courage, fighting heart and will to win. These aspects Foreman had in spades. No quit in George and he wanted to kill his opponents with every punch he threw.

[NoNeck]

Foreman folded mentally all over the place in the 70s. He was the poster boy for insecurity.

[HOUDINI]

Not true at all. foreman had a tough time handling losing to Ali. His comeback to win the true championship may be the single most impressive feat in boxing history.

[NoNeck]

Originally Posted by HOUDINI

His comeback to win the true championship may be the single most impressive feat in boxing history.

"in the 70s" And no, his comeback was in no way way the most impressive feat in boxing history.

[Johnstown]

Originally Posted by NoNeck

"in the 70s" And no, his comeback was in no way way the most impressive feat in boxing history.

what was...wait..let me guess....winning the HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP OF THE WORLD at 19 from the amazing brutal historic champion TREVOR BERBICK?

[Johnstown]

anyhow...i think both Foreman and Tyson would have to change their style a hell of allot to not break their hands and all the other issues....unless you assume a life time of doing that style (or at least several years) i cant see how they would step in and beat guys who did that all the time. Also, LPR did hae the hip tosses and things like that...something else they would have to train to deal with.

[Unforgiven]

Originally Posted by Johnstown

he would have been runied after a few fights due to his wild swings hitting guys on the top of the head...hands would have broken to bits..and he would have been done.

Yeah, but you wouldn't want to be the guy whose head broke his hands.

[Ted Spoon]

Foreman as a bare knuckle fighter is interesting for similar reasons that surround the prospect of Jeffries trying his luck under the London Prize Rules. Jeffries will remain of particular interest because of his background in wrestling and that slow-thumping method.

The second incarnation of George would probably perform well after observing the different attitudes (stances) and roughhouse tactics; though the notion that he could simply make the transitions and start cracking skulls is far-fetched.

Even with adequate training Ted Spoon would heavily favour the likes of Jem Belcher, Henry Pearce and Tom Cribb to eventually drown the powerful Texan in very bloody waters.

[NoNeck]

Originally Posted by Johnstown

what was...wait..let me guess....winning the HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP OF THE WORLD at 19 from the amazing brutal historic champion TREVOR BERBICK?

I like Hopkins' win over Pascal more than Foreman's win to be honest. It's harder to outbox the champ for 12 than to get your ass kicked round after round and then find out his chin is glass.

[Nightcrawler]

Originally Posted by NoNeck

I like Hopkins' win over Pascal more than Foreman's win to be honest. It's harder to outbox the champ for 12 than to get your ass kicked round after round and then find out his chin is glass.

not when you're fat, out of the ring for 18 months, with zero mobility. hopkins was in great shape, much fresher for his age and pascal is a moron

[OvidsExile]

If Foreman fought LPR rules he would have hip tossed Young every time they clinched, rag dolled and bounced him all over the ring.

[OvidsExile]

Originally Posted by Ted Spoon

Foreman as a bare knuckle fighter is interesting for similar reasons that surround the prospect of Jeffries trying his luck under the London Prize Rules. Jeffries will remain of particular interest because of his background in wrestling and that slow-thumping method.

The second incarnation of George would probably perform well after observing the different attitudes (stances) and roughhouse tactics; though the notion that he could simply make the transitions and start cracking skulls is far-fetched.

Even with adequate training Ted Spoon would heavily favour the likes of Jem Belcher, Henry Pearce and Tom Cribb to eventually drown the powerful Texan in very bloody waters.

I thought of that when I saw this thread title, but if you just look up their stats they are far from imposing.

Jem Belcher HEIGHT, 5-11 1/2. WEIGHT, 152-182 lbs
Henry Pearce HEIGHT, 5-8 3/4. WEIGHT, 165-184 lbs
John Gully HEIGHT, 6. WEIGHT, 182-190 lbs
Jack Broughton HEIGHT, 5-10 1/2 WEIGHT, 196-200 lbs
James Figg HEIGHT, 6 WEIGHT, 185 lbs
Daniel Mendoza HEIGHT, 5-7 WEIGHT, 160-168 lbs
Tom Cribb HEIGHT, 5-10 WEIGHT, 189-199 lbs
Jem Mace HEIGHT 5-9 1/2 WEIGHT, 136-175 lbs

George Foreman HEIGHT, 6-3 1/2 WEIGHT, 212-260 lbs

Even John L. Sullivan is going to have a hard night fighting George: HEIGHT, 5-10 1/2 WEIGHT, 190-238 lbs

[Nightcrawler]

Originally Posted by Ovid***ile

If Foreman fought LPR rules he would have hip tossed Young every time they clinched, rag dolled and bounced him all over the ring.

not 76 jimmy young. he won the gold in judo in the 76 olympics...twice. he would have won 3 golds in the same olympics in the same event if not for Tokyo Douglas, who took him in the finals