Boxing  

Forum Home Boxing Forum European British Classic Aussie MMA Training
Go Back   Boxing News 24 Forum > Boxing > Classic Boxing Forum


Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 07-10-2008, 12:44 PM   #1
Russell
Undisputed Champion
East Side VIP
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 13,413
vCash: 118
Default Potentially Unblemished Records

What fights conceivably could very well have unblemished records if not for flukes, robberies, and so on?

Aaron Pryor's sole loss was against Bobby Joe Young... He took a knee and rose a second too late for some reason or another. Very similar to Chuvalo/Quarry and very easily avoided.
Russell is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Old 07-10-2008, 01:24 PM   #2
Thread Stealer
P4P King
East Side VIP
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 18,186
vCash: 1000
Default Re: Potentially Unblemished Records

Pernell Whitaker up until the Felix Trinidad fight, although I never scored the Wilfredo Rivera fight, nor have I seen it in years.
Thread Stealer is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 07-10-2008, 01:52 PM   #3
Drew101
Champion
East Side Guru
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: "...The Land of Dixon and Langford..."
Posts: 8,155
vCash: 0
Default Re: Potentially Unblemished Records

Quote:
Originally Posted by Russell
What fights conceivably could very well have unblemished records if not for flukes, robberies, and so on?

Aaron Pryor's sole loss was against Bobby Joe Young... He took a knee and rose a second too late for some reason or another. Very similar to Chuvalo/Quarry and very easily avoided.
Yeah...but Pryor was way behind in the fight.
Drew101 is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 07-10-2008, 05:47 PM   #4
the cobra
Awesomeizationism!
East Side Guru
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 5,982
vCash: 1000
Default Re: Potentially Unblemished Records

JMM's 3 losses and his draw have been close enough to say he may have deserved to win, I thought he beat John, Norwood, and Pacquiao in the first fight. His only other loss is a DQ in his pro debut, which I would count as a fluke.

RJJ if he stopped after the first Tarver fight. It was a debatable decision itself, but he got the win and his only loss was a DQ up to that point.
the cobra is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 07-10-2008, 05:51 PM   #5
Russell
Undisputed Champion
East Side VIP
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 13,413
vCash: 118
Default Re: Potentially Unblemished Records

Quote:
Originally Posted by the cobra
JMM's 3 losses and his draw have been close enough to say he may have deserved to win, I thought he beat John, Norwood, and Pacquiao in the first fight. His only other loss is a DQ in his pro debut, which I would count as a fluke.

RJJ if he stopped after the first Tarver fight. It was a debatable decision itself, but he got the win and his only loss was a DQ up to that point.
There's absolutely no question that JMM beat John.

Anything else is straight shit.
Russell is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 07-10-2008, 06:19 PM   #6
janitor
P4P King
East Side VIP
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 21,088
vCash: 1000
Default Re: Potentially Unblemished Records

Jim Jeffries if he had never come back.
janitor is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 07-10-2008, 06:58 PM   #7
red cobra
Undisputed Champion
East Side VIP
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: The Sea of Tranquility
Posts: 13,115
vCash: 1000
Default Re: Potentially Unblemished Records

Lennox Lewis, had he come into the ring prepared and at his best, would have never lost to McCall and Rahman. He proved that in the rematches. He wasn't supposed to lose to either one of these guys and everybody knows it. He would be the second retired, undefeated heavyweight champion.
red cobra is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 07-10-2008, 06:59 PM   #8
red cobra
Undisputed Champion
East Side VIP
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: The Sea of Tranquility
Posts: 13,115
vCash: 1000
Default Re: Potentially Unblemished Records

I agree with the Aaron Pryor post as well. That Bobby Joe Young fight could have been avoided.
red cobra is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 07-10-2008, 07:05 PM   #9
Thread Stealer
P4P King
East Side VIP
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 18,186
vCash: 1000
Default Re: Potentially Unblemished Records

Quote:
Originally Posted by red cobra
Lennox Lewis, had he come into the ring prepared and at his best, would have never lost to McCall and Rahman. He proved that in the rematches. He wasn't supposed to lose to either one of these guys and everybody knows it. He would be the second retired, undefeated heavyweight champion.
The McCall fight had more to do with Lewis's poor balance and leaving himself open when he threw right hands than being undertrained.

Say Lewis beats McCall in 1994 and never hires Manny Steward, or feels a change is necessary. Someone probably would've beaten him.

The loss to McCall was good for Lewis in the long-run.
Thread Stealer is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 07-10-2008, 07:27 PM   #10
Bill Butcher
Erik`El Terrible`Morales
East Side VIP
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Phoenix Marie`s ass, Fritzl Residence, Glasgow, Scotland.
Posts: 14,262
vCash: 1000
Default Re: Potentially Unblemished Records

Ali without the 3 yrs 7 months lay-off would have likely met Frazier in 68 or 69 with no ring rust & no loss of speed (especially foot-speed) & won a 15 rd UD.
He would likely have gone for either Louis record defences or Rocky`s record 49-0 or both then retired.
The 3 1/2 yrs did enough to Ali`s legs to allow the styles of Frazier & Norton to catch him in the later rds, that wouldnt have happened to an active Ali I dont believe.

Ps. Before anyone posts, let me tell you, yes, I do know that it was Ali`s poor conditioning & underrating of Norton that caused the defeat rather than the fact his legs were slower but he`d likely have retired by the time Kenny came along in 73 & if they did meet, Id fully expect a Muhammad Ali of 45-0 or 22 title defences (or something similar, you get my point) not to be showing up in the shape he showed up in when he lost to Ken putting his entire legacy in danger, it would look more like their 2nd fight only Ali`s legs wouldnt slow after rd 5 like they did in the rematch (& he still won that fight)

So yes, I say Muhammad Ali woulda been unbeaten if not for that army vietnam shit.

Bill Butcher is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 07-11-2008, 06:04 AM   #11
NickHudson
Gatekeeper
ESB Full Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Brisbane, Australia
Posts: 447
vCash: 1000
Default Re: Potentially Unblemished Records

'Fluke' or 'robbery' is way too strong a word, but Bowe almost got an unblemished record save for the borderline loss to Holyfield in their second match.
NickHudson is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 07-11-2008, 01:05 PM   #12
Thread Stealer
P4P King
East Side VIP
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 18,186
vCash: 1000
Default Re: Potentially Unblemished Records

Quote:
Originally Posted by pghmiddleweight
how did mcclelland lose to two journeymen early on in his career i dont have too much knowledge of this era of boxing, he still rightly lost to benn though, but i would appreciate an answer
I'm guessing he was one of those fighters that improved as he went along. I'm not too sure if he was a Kronk fighter from the start or joined the gym later on.

I remember one of the guys he lost to, Dennis Milton. He lost to Julian Jackson and Bernard Hopkins. Jackson hit him with a right hand in round 1 and Milton was stretched out on the floor. His hands were still stretched out, reaching towards the sky, while he was on his back being counted out.
Thread Stealer is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 07-11-2008, 01:07 PM   #13
Russell
Undisputed Champion
East Side VIP
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 13,413
vCash: 118
Default Re: Potentially Unblemished Records

Quote:
Originally Posted by pghmiddleweight
how did mcclelland lose to two journeymen early on in his career i dont have too much knowledge of this era of boxing, he still rightly lost to benn though, but i would appreciate an answer
He was going through trainer trouble at the time if I'm remembering correctly. Really hadn't gotten himself together at that point.
Russell is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 07-11-2008, 02:30 PM   #14
Rebel-INS
Mighty Healthy
ESB Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 1,245
vCash: 1000
Default Re: Potentially Unblemished Records

Quote:
Originally Posted by Russell
He was going through trainer trouble at the time if I'm remembering correctly. Really hadn't gotten himself together at that point.
The fighters he lost to were slick fighters, a lot of people think he would've always had trouble with fighters like that.
He wasn't exactly the most technically gifted of fighters.
Rebel-INS is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 07-11-2008, 02:55 PM   #15
Dempsey1238
Champion
East Side Guru
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 5,015
vCash: 1000
Default Re: Potentially Unblemished Records

Still think Ali losees somewere down the line. He would still lose to Holmes. Ali was not the type of guy to just walk away.
Dempsey1238 is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Reply

Boxing News 24 Forum > Boxing > Classic Boxing Forum

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump





All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:00 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Boxing News 24 Forum 2013