Juan Manuel Marquez looking like a beast . . .

[mishima]

Originally Posted by shaunster101

I don't disagree that it's impossible to get into the same physical shape as Marquez, certainly aesthetically speaking.

those guys are black and probably naturally ripped that way

[mishima]

Originally Posted by LovePisBack

Gaining muscle does not reduce speed or explosiveness.

Look at sprinters - the fast and most explosive athletes and they are all built like tanks.

at least find a better example than sprinting

[Claypole]

Originally Posted by LovePisBack

I've just had a look at the first pic and I have no idea what your talking about, his face is ripped? What does that even mean?

It looks like he's even built up his face muscles.

[mishima]

Originally Posted by McGrain

I'm gonna catch shit for this (and it is one of those annoying "i know a guy" stories) but my butcher has that four-tone definition in his forearm that Marquez exhibits here.

and?

[McGrain]

Originally Posted by mishima

and?

and there are people saying that this is not something that is possible without using peds, and my butcher doesn't use peds

[tezel8764]

Originally Posted by McGrain

and there are people saying that this is not something that is possible without using peds, and my butcher doesn't use peds

Contaminated meat?

[LovePisBack]

Originally Posted by mishima

at least find a better example than sprinting

You said gaining weight makes you slower. It doesn't and you clearly don't really no what your are talking about.

Gaining 10 pounds of muscle in the right places will only make Marquez faster and stronger, the only potential draw back will be that the increased mass will affect his stamina.

[McGrain]

Originally Posted by tezel8764

Contaminated meat?

Certainly not!

He smokes his own salmon though...

[mishima]

Originally Posted by McGrain

and there are people saying that this is not something that is possible without using peds, and my butcher doesn't use peds

maybe your butcher has good genetics and low fat levels?

But if your butcher suddenly developed those muscles from chopping meat in the last year and was in his late 30's and was chopping meat from 16..would you have suspicions?

[TIGEREDGE]

Originally Posted by SouthpawSlayer

your point is flawed mate, big difference in training with weights to look good and boxing training

marquez whilst putting on a lot of muscle has kept his skill, speed, agility etc. He doesnt go to the gym and lift weights like you, he trains to box on a low calorie diet to make weight, if you take into account all these factors and for it not to impact his boxing then you need performance enhancers

spot on mate

ill say it once and ill say it again you can naturally gain 10 to 30 pound of muscle naturally (depends on ginetics) with TIME on the right training programme, diet and rest periods

But these guys like pacman, jmm and so on haven't got the TIME and are not in a position to do the right training programme to add the muscle naturally. thats why they need help in speeding the process up

[mishima]

Originally Posted by LovePisBack

Gaining muscle does not reduce speed or explosiveness.

Look at sprinters - the fast and most explosive athletes and they are all built like tanks.

sprinters are built because they tend to have fast twitch fibres but they don't deliberately try to add muscle bulk

Go check out the handspeed and explosiveness of Pacman at the lighter weights:

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[TIGEREDGE]

Originally Posted by Claypole

It looks like he's even built up his face muscles.

sure sign of hgh abuse lol

[SouthpawSlayer]

Originally Posted by LovePisBack

Ok maybe I am not the best example but just saying it can be done easily enough.

It seems as though you are saying that it is not possible to gain 10 pounds of muscle when simultaneously training a cardio intensive sport, without the use of PED's?

no its not what im saying,

what i am trying to say is its easy to gain 10lbs of muscle as you said you can do it with a good diet and some gym work for an hour every day, adding muscle and maintaining your level in boxing is quiet hard as you might need to do additional weight work in the gym which is not good, that muscle being built by exercises like shoulder press bench press etc etc is not functional muscle, when taking PED's someone could gain this muscle without even lifting weights, their muscles will respond to the drugs and grow whilst still maintaining your boxing training and not having to substitute it with bodybuilding training twice a week

so this means when the muscle is added its been done in a way that will not affect the fighters performance too much, take testosterone for example, the most important PED out there and it is one of the most anabolic PED's out there, a high dose of test would result in muscle growth without having to lift weights just sticking to your common boxing training, when marquez fought mayweather he was throwing rocks trying to add the muscle and it affected him quite badly come fight night

[McGrain]

Originally Posted by mishima

maybe your butcher has good genetics and low fat levels?

But if your butcher suddenly developed those muscles from chopping meat in the last year and was in his late 30's and was chopping meat from 16..would you have suspicions?

Fuck yes I would, but those suspicions would be allayed if he explained that he was reducing bodyfat and increasing muscle mass in an attempt to make his current bodyweight absolutely perfect in his eyes, and that this involved eating perfectly and training five hours a day six days a week. I would go "oh yeah, right, well, that's cool" and felt a bit unmanned and bought venison stu to feel more manly and leave.

[McGrain]

He doesn't have low fat levels btw, he's a big fat dude, but he's just got giant arms.