Juan Manuel Marquez looking like a beast . . .

[Hattons Hook]

McGrain's butcher, the James Toney of the meat world. Cheating twat.

[McGrain]

But he does a good turkey.

[Claypole]

Originally Posted by Hattons Hook

McGrain's butcher, the James Toney of the meat world. Cheating twat.

He's even craftier than Toney, he chose a profession where there is no drug testing. Even on the meat products, where we know growth hormones are widely used.

[Hattons Hook]

Originally Posted by McGrain

But he does a good turkey.

What like a turkey impression or an actual turkey ?

[Scotty321]

Originally Posted by SouthpawSlayer

you think you could do what exactly??

and no you cant get to the same place whilst being clean against someone who is cycling on, the benefits are a lot more than what you think

I have trained with and without PEDs so I know the difference they make. You can get to where JMM is physically without them if you know what you are doing.

[Flea Man]

Marquez is 'roiding. It's clear to see.

[mishima]

some real butthurt ppl on here

[mishima]

Originally Posted by LovePisBack

But I didn't say sprinters are clean did I you utter idiot.

You said gaining muscle mass would make a person slower and less explosive, I cited sprinters to point out that is not necessarily the case.

why use them as an example if they are likely to use PEDs to reduce the effect of speed loss from increase muscle mass?

Anyway,how many sprinters deliberately bulk up?

[Scotty321]

Originally Posted by Flea Man

Marquez is 'roiding. It's clear to see.

No we have drug tests now unlike back in the day when guys were fighting 15 rounders and monthly

[Toontoon]

Originally Posted by JamieC

hes working with a self-confessed PED supplier and the difference between his performance against Mayweather at Welterweight and his performance against Pacman last time out is quite large.

Mayweather beats him 10 times out of 10 from 130 to 147 so that doesn't mean much.

[Flea Man]

And? First off, that clearly wasn't his point. Secondly, Floyd is the most obvious 'roider out there.

[SouthpawSlayer]

Originally Posted by LovePisBack

I take you point, there is every chance he is using something.

My issue is with people looking at a slightly muscular boxer and immediately deciding he must be on steroids when that clearly isn't the case, it is very possible they improved their physique naturally.

its not in a boxers interest to look aesthetically pleasing so they wouldnt improve their physique naturally, there is no benefit

you are still getting confused over increasing muscle mass and boxing training which results in muscle gain due to PED's

its not just JMM physique that arises suspicions but this along with

his association with heredia
his increase in muscle mass whilst still performing the same
the relaxed drug testing in boxing

also JMM age is a big factor, after a long career and at his age his own bodies testosterone production would be at an all time low maybe below 50 mg a week, he would find it hard to train to compete against the likes of pacman at this stage of his career yet we see him train harder than ever, looking better than ever and competing pretty damn good

lets not forget this guy resorted to drinking his own piss a while back to perform better im sure he woudnt care injecting some test , hgh, and maybe primo or anavar into that ass cheeks of his

[LovePisBack]

Originally Posted by mishima

why use them as an example if they are likely to use PEDs to reduce the effect of speed loss from increase muscle mass?

Anyway,how many sprinters deliberately bulk up?

To your first question - they don't, why would you think that?

To your second question - all of them, surely you don't think it's just a co-incidence they are all so muscular?

[SouthpawSlayer]

Originally Posted by Scotty321

I have trained with and without PEDs so I know the difference they make. You can get to where JMM is physically without them if you know what you are doing.

ah ok so you are jmm s+c coach now are you? you must know exactly where marquez is physically in his speed, strenght, aerobic fitness etc, you know all his records and whats he doing

you might be able to get to where he is aesthetically yes but physically hell no dont be silly

[SouthpawSlayer]

Originally Posted by LovePisBack

To your first question - they don't, why would you think that?

To your second question - all of them, surely you don't think it's just a co-incidence they are all so muscular?