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Old 11-23-2012, 06:04 PM   #46
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Default Re: Larry Holmes vs. Wladimir Klitschko.

silly analysis. Holmes in his prime..ever watch prime Holmes? He could move and he would side step the walking statue landing his jab at angles. Thus Holmes jab dominates of course. Its quicker and the fighter more complete. Holmes jab thus dominates throwing Wlad off his game. Wlads chin is poor and so is his heart. Big right drops him in sections....as he always goes down and the fight is stopped. Everyone going in to fight Holmes thought they could neutralize that jab and no one in his prime could do so. Wlad does not have the skill set or speed to do so. High lite the word speed.
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Old 11-23-2012, 06:30 PM   #47
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Walking states look pretty good fighting other walking statues. Against Holmes Wlad will look ........like a walking statue. Speed kills large immobile hwts especially those with poor heart and durability. Holmes KO 9.
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Old 11-23-2012, 06:58 PM   #48
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Default Re: Larry Holmes vs. Wladimir Klitschko.

Lot's of opinions that state "Larry is just of a higher quality". Even so, he could lose the match and still be better.

I like the explanation that Holmes jabs Wlad at angles. It is what I'd expect Holmes to bring. Not so much the one where Larry walks him down.

Holmes jab is great for punishing opponents. For this match-up, though, Wlad has greater utility. He doesn't pull his jab entirely back, it travels a very short distance while Wlad himself is very far away.

I would expect the dynamic Ali to pull it off, but Holmes is a bit more methodical and that could work against him here.
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Old 11-23-2012, 07:12 PM   #49
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It is possible he might fold under the mental pressure. But he has that clinch. It is a way out for him, and something he didn't have before, when he panicked. It is a way out inside the ring, and he has a lot of faith in that.

Another question is -- and this is the crux of it, I imagine -- how would Larry respond to being outjabbed? How would Wlad respond to being outjabbed?

I think every single Holmes advocate believes he would outjab Wlad, and vice versa for the Wlad advocates. Battle of the jabs if there ever was one.
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Old 11-23-2012, 07:40 PM   #50
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Wladimir would knock Norton out.
Doubt it,Norton was very clever and liked to move his head and body with Norton's stamnia in the later rounds superior to Wlad infact after round 7 Wlad is spent after round 8 he's dropped his guard,Norton always had his hands near his head and even in the late rounds he was still slipping punches.

Norton Late Round KO.

Wlad is a big punching bag,No footwork,Decent jab with a moderate AT BEST right hand,left hook(His Power is questionable) who struggles to keep his hands up in the late rounds,How many times do we see a HW he is facing absolutely tired and Wlad is slowly pounding away with no effect? Wlad uses his reach,size and superior fitness to win. Wach repeatedly REPEATEDLY took Wlad's best and who the fk is Wach again? Larry beats him and beats him easy.
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Old 11-23-2012, 08:10 PM   #51
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This is all bullshit. Foreman and Cooney blew Norton out of the ****ing water. Gerry Cooney, man. Not to say he didn't hit like a truck but if Cooney could do it (regardless of when you feel Ken's prime was) you can be damn sure Wlad will also.

By the way, have you seen a recent Wlad fight? Decent jab? No footwork? Utter bollocks. Completely uneducated bile.
A moderate at best right hand!

Get outta here with this crap.
Crap? Name a fight where he shows superior footwork against a fast opponent? His footwork is so good he just clinches instead of stepping out of trouble to save energy? Yea right,Talk less sh1t.

Foreman blew Frazier away,Let me get his straight Wlad is better then Frazier by your analogy.

Name some of Wlad skillfull opponents,Someone who showed awesome offensive and defensive ability,Someone who was good at feinting or tricking an opponent. There's a reason why it took Wlad so long to claim the HW title.

Chageav(or whatever) was able to block Wlad's jab................but thats where it ended lol


Only one who's talking uneducated is you moron.
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Old 11-23-2012, 08:20 PM   #52
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This is all bullshit. Foreman and Cooney blew Norton out of the ****ing water. Gerry Cooney, man. Not to say he didn't hit like a truck but if Cooney could do it (regardless of when you feel Ken's prime was) you can be damn sure Wlad will also.

By the way, have you seen a recent Wlad fight? Decent jab? No footwork? Utter bollocks. Completely uneducated bile.
A moderate at best right hand!

Get outta here with this crap.
He was unable to put long punch combinations against Wach, Simply in round 8 1-2 then smothered his punches. No finishing ability.
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Old 11-23-2012, 09:48 PM   #53
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I'm siding with Wlad. I don't underrate Larry, but I think this is one of the worst possible matchups for him.
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Old 11-23-2012, 10:18 PM   #54
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Holmes: More skilled, better jab, better chin, faster, more heart, etc.
Those are all very nice attributes, but unfortunately not the sort that it takes to beat Wladimir Klitschko. Now if Holmes was a big puncher, with a dangerous inside fighting game and a deadly left hook, then I'd put my money on him.
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Old 11-23-2012, 10:51 PM   #55
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I just go with Wlad he has become a great fighter, the only fighter I think gets to Wlad is Lennox.
Wlad is fast, big, great footwork, great punch he is now top ten.
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Old 11-23-2012, 11:02 PM   #56
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Default Re: Larry Holmes vs. Wladimir Klitschko.

Holmes has plenty of power to stop Wlad. Don't forget Wlad would be beaten to a pulp before the right hand lands that drops him in sections.
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Old 11-24-2012, 12:14 AM   #57
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Holmes had a flawed jab, often shot from his waist and brought back to the same position. Fast and nice, but led to vulnerability.

Wlad has a better jab. Yes, a better jab. Stronger, more correct, also damn fast and holds distance with incredible effectiveness. It is almost impossible to step inside against this jab because he holds it half ****ed and can resend it with triphammer speed. Guys have to shoot outside of it or from an angle to get to his chin.s in
Wlad's jab controls Holmes, who can not set up his own jab with any consistency. One round follows the next in almost identical fashion. Holmes presses (when does Wlad press by the way?) and takes more punishment before getting tied up.

Wlad 12UD.
Five pages in and I still have by far the best analysis.
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Old 11-24-2012, 12:41 AM   #58
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Holmes had a flawed jab, often shot from his waist and brought back to the same position. Fast and nice, but led to vulnerability.

Wlad has a better jab. Yes, a better jab. Stronger, more correct, also damn fast and holds distance with incredible effectiveness. It is almost impossible to step inside against this jab because he holds it half ****ed and can resend it with triphammer speed. Guys have to shoot outside of it or from an angle to get to his chin.s in
Wlad's jab controls Holmes, who can not set up his own jab with any consistency. One round follows the next in almost identical fashion. Holmes presses (when does Wlad press by the way?) and takes more punishment before getting tied up.

Wlad 12UD.
Good analysis? Holme's moved his head and had fast feet lets look at a semi-similiar fight.He couldn't catch David Haye with it when Haye was moving around,He missed several 1212,12,1,1 combos all night? Why's that because the fighters he faces today come forward and take the punch like no one taught them how to move their head.

Wladimir doesn't have the power in his jab to control Holmes while Holmes REACH IS SIMILIAR;Holmes we know can exchange punches and take punishment while Wladimir cannot.

Wladimir drops his hands in the late round,Can't finish an opponent when it goes late and normally drops opponents who are too tired to come out of the corner at the start of round 4.

Face the facts Holmes went in the ring with classy fighters even when he was coming up he sparred with Ali and Frazier,while Wladimir beats up nobodys.
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Old 11-24-2012, 12:51 AM   #59
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Good analysis? Holme's moved his head and had fast feet lets look at a semi-similiar fight.He couldn't catch David Haye with it when Haye was moving around,He missed several 1212,12,1,1 combos all night? Why's that because the fighters he faces today come forward and take the punch like no one taught them how to move their head.

Wladimir doesn't have the power in his jab to control Holmes while Holmes REACH IS SIMILIAR;Holmes we know can exchange punches and take punishment while Wladimir cannot.

Wladimir drops his hands in the late round,Can't finish an opponent when it goes late and normally drops opponents who are too tired to come out of the corner at the start of round 4.

Face the facts Holmes went in the ring with classy fighters even when he was coming up he sparred with Ali and Frazier,while Wladimir beats up nobodys.
So you suggest we look at a similar fight to draw comparisons to a potential Wlad-Holmes tilt and you bring forth a fight that Wlad whitewashed his opponent. Dominated round after round. Completely controlled pace, distance and the amount of punishment doled out. Thank you for arguing my own point.

And then you say that Wlad's jab doesn't have the power to control Holmes when damn near every opponent and sparring partner, including some who post on this very board, testify that his jab is a power punch of extremely persuasive value. This coming not from keyboard jockeys but guys who have faced him in the ring.

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Old 11-24-2012, 12:58 AM   #60
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Holmes is the pros pro though with a lot of ring smarts and intelligence

He can probably crack Wlad in the middle to late rounds and survive in the earlier rounds due to his craftiness ... Wlad would have difficulty out boxing him and he's not going to get the stoppage victory over him ...
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