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Old 11-24-2012, 01:53 PM   #1
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Default Hector Macho Camacho deserves some love thread.

I know he was far from a saint and even in his prime he could be hard to watch... but Camacho was a tough little sonofabitch and was involved in some very big fights.

So, with that said... RIP Macho Man.

Now, just how good was he?

Camacho went 79-6-3 (38KO) overall and was never stopped in 88 pro fights despite fighting the likes of Chavez, Trinidad, Duran x2, Leonard, DeLaHoya, and Campas among others. Chavez, Trinidad, and DeLaHoya were actually prime when they fought the past prime Camacho. Yes, in my opinion Camacho was a little past prime when he fought Chavez. He was well past prime vs. Trinidad and even more past prime vs. DeLaHoya. When he fought Duran x2, Leonard, and Campas they were all past prime including Camacho.

Camacho went 17-4-1 (5) in World Title Fights at JLW, LW, JWW, JMW, MW, and SMW. The World Titles he won at JMW, MW, and SMW did not say IBF, WBA, WBC, or even WBO on them however.

He turned pro in 1980 and won his first World Title in 1983 vs. R. Limon KO5 (WBC 130 Lb.). He went on to beat-

J.L. Ramirez W12 (a dominating performance vs. a very good fighter)

F. Roach W10 (clear win)

E. Rosario (SD, some felt Rosario won... Camacho became a more defensive fighter after this, 1986)

C. Boza-Edwards W12 (clear win)

H. Davis W10 (clear win)

R. Mancini W12 (SD, very close and entertaining fight)

V. Pazienza (clear win)

T. Baltazar W12 (clear win)

G. Haugen W12 (SD, Haugen won the first by SD which was B.S. IMO, 1991)

He clearly lost decisions to Chavez in 1992 and Trinidad in 1994. After Trinidad, he went 20-0-1 (11) leading up to his fight vs. DeLaHoya (he went 5-0-1 (3) in IBC World Title fights at WW, JMW, and MW) and fought very well in these fights. He also had a more aggressive style. He couldn't make 140 anymore and even 147 was a struggle. During this stretch he beat the likes of Todd Foster, Homer Gibbons, Gary Kirkland, Roberto Duran, Heath Todd, and Ray Leonard.

Yes, Leonard was old, had not fought in a long time and was actually already in the Hall of Fame... but nobody was thinking he'd get stopped in 5.

How about some H2H/Prime vs. Prime? Had he been prime could he have beaten Chavez, Trinidad, or DeLaHoya? What if Camacho fought Duran and Leonard when they were prime and he was prime (or close to it)? Could he have beaten either guy?

How would he have done vs. Whitaker? Mayweather? Meldrick Taylor? Buddy McGirt? Aaron Pryor? Alexis Arguello?

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Old 11-24-2012, 01:59 PM   #2
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Default Re: Hector Macho Camacho deserves some love thread.

3 things il say about Camacho
He was a character..
had an iron chin..
And he never quit..
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Old 11-24-2012, 01:59 PM   #3
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Default Re: Hector Macho Camacho deserves some love thread.

Camacho was a favorite of mine who was a bit silly at times in his extravagance, but hey, he was a good character, fast as greased lightning, talented, and ultimately had the balls and the grit to absorb a true beating at the hands of JCC like a man and finish on his feet. I had nothing but respect for him for that. And BTW.....that "wrestler" Randy Savage wasn't the "Macho Man"..that title always belonged to Hector Camacho..even after the Rosario fight..and he proved it to be so..again, after that punishment by Chavez.
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Old 11-24-2012, 02:01 PM   #4
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I know he was far from a saint and even in his prime he could be hard to watch... but Camacho was a tough little sonofabitch and was involved in some very big fights.

So, with that said... RIP Macho Man.

Now, just how good was he?

Camacho went 79-6-3 (38KO) overall and was never stopped in 88 pro fights despite fighting the likes of Chavez, Trinidad, Duran x2, Leonard, DeLaHoya, and Campas among others. Chavez, Trinidad, and DeLaHoya were actually prime when they fought the past prime Camacho. Yes, in my opinion Camacho was a little past prime when he fought Chavez. He was well past prime vs. Trinidad and even more past prime vs. DeLaHoya. When he fought Duran x2, Leonard, and Campas they were all past prime including Camacho.

Camacho went 17-4-1 (5) in World Title Fights at JLW, LW, JWW, JMW, MW, and SMW. The World Titles he won at JMW, MW, and SMW did not say IBF, WBA, WBC, or even WBO on them however.

He turned pro in 1980 and won his first World Title in 1983 vs. R. Limon KO5 (WBC 130 Lb.). He went on to beat-

J.L. Ramirez W12 (a dominating performance vs. a very good fighter)

F. Roach W10 (claer win)

E. Rosario (SD, some felt Rosario won... Camacho became a more defensive fighter after this, 1986)

C. Boza-Edwards W12 (clear win)

H. Davis W10 (clear win)

R. Mancini W12 (SD, very close and entertaining fight)

V. Pazienza (clear win)

T. Baltazar W12 (clear win)

G. Haugen W12 (SD, Haugen won the first by SD which was B.S. IMO, 1991)

He clearly lost decisions to Chavez in 1992 and Trinidad in 1994. After Trinidad, he went 20-0-1 (11) leading up to his fight vs. DeLaHoya (he went 5-0-1 (3) in IBC World Title fights at WW, JMW, and MW) and fought very well in these fights. He also had a more aggressive style. He couldn't make 140 anymore and even 147 was a struggle. During this stretch he beat the likes of Todd Foster, Homer Gibbons, Gary Kirkland, Roberto Duran, Heath Todd, and Ray Leonard.

Yes, Leonard was old, had not fought in a long time and was actually already in the Hall of Fame... but nobody was thinking he'd get stopped in 5.

How about some H2H/Prime vs. Prime? Had he been prime could he have beaten Chavez, Trinidad, or DeLaHoya? What if Camacho fought Duran and Leonard when they were prime and he was prime (or close to it)? Could he have beaten either guy?

How would he have done vs. Whitaker? Mayweather? Meldrick Taylor? Buddy McGirt? Aaron Pryor? Alexis Arguello?
I remember hearing a story,i think Manny Steward said it,Pernell Whitaker was a pro around a year and he got off a plane journey all jet lagged and gave Camacho who was training for a big fight an absolute hiding in sparring..
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Old 11-24-2012, 02:09 PM   #5
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Default Re: Hector Macho Camacho deserves some love thread.

He was a very colorful character no doubt. His ring entrances were among some of the most memorable of anyone from my time growing up. He was extremely fast in the ring, very durable and had a lot of skill. I never found his fights to be terribly exciting, but I'll give him credit for being good at what he did, and compiling some very good wins. Its a shame that his life style choices placed him in the kinds of dangerous situations, like the one that finally ended his life. In my mind, he will always be one of the most charismatic figures of his generation and a personality type that we won't likely see again.
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Old 11-24-2012, 02:37 PM   #6
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Camacho was pulled over years ago for 'having *** whilst driving'. She was siitting on his lap while he was driving along
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Old 11-24-2012, 02:42 PM   #7
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He was fun. Real good fighter, too.
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Old 11-24-2012, 03:00 PM   #8
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Default Re: Hector Macho Camacho deserves some love thread.

Early Camacho was frightening. I first saw him zap Louie Loy, a solid and tough guy, from about a thousand video game angles and felt not only sorry for Loy, but for everyone else who followed.

John Montes was another "What hit me and from where" victim.

I don't know what happened inside Camacho during the Rosario fight, but I'm having a hard time accepting that he "lost heart" after being rocked. He stepped in afterwards with a prime Trinidad, Chavez, and DelaHoya. What more could he do to show heart.

The part I liked best about Hector, though, was that he was an overgrown kid at heart. I remember him crying on Tim Ryan's shoulder in a post-fight interview after beating Louie Burke and lamenting not having enough friends. Unique person I wish I could've met.
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Old 11-24-2012, 04:16 PM   #9
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I remember hearing a story,i think Manny Steward said it,Pernell Whitaker was a pro around a year and he got off a plane journey all jet lagged and gave Camacho who was training for a big fight an absolute hiding in sparring..
I read just the opposite. It was in 85 and the two did spar, only it was Hector that dished it out to the point where Pernell's trainers at the time, had to put an end to the one way whipping (at the hands of Camacho of course)

Had the two met head to head prime for prime there's no other way it could end

Look what happened when Davis, another boxer with a so so punch, was matched up with Hector. He gots beat six ways to Sunday, victim to handspeed that knew no equal
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Old 11-24-2012, 04:17 PM   #10
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Default Re: Hector Macho Camacho deserves some love thread.

as Mike McCallum once put it, "Emmanual Steward's a liar"
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Old 11-24-2012, 06:07 PM   #11
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he had a very good career, I liked the Mancini and Pazienza fights, classic boxer vs brawler type fights
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Old 11-24-2012, 07:42 PM   #12
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Hector 'Macho' Camacho

'The Greatest Showman of All-Time'

Was not only a great boxer, but was was the most theatrical act ever.

Very innovative and creative, and never 'stole' anyone elses act.

A true purist in being 'original'.

The One and Only, here's 'MACHO MAN'

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Old 11-24-2012, 07:44 PM   #13
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Great talent and entiner.
He also had one of the best chins of all time.
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Old 11-24-2012, 09:14 PM   #14
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At his best, the fastest fighter in the sport.He was a sound boxer, very tough, very good, who could have been great, if it wasn't for the drugs and high life.The John Montes fight, he hit Montes with a punch he probably never saw.However, he did catch Howard Davis Jr. at the right time when he beat him.
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Old 11-25-2012, 12:47 AM   #15
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RIP Macho.

Great resume, incredibly underrated in his time because he chose to fight the way that gave him the best use of his abilities and best chance to win, which is to say he didn't stand toe-to-toe with people but used footwork and angles (what was once valued as generalship).

I say he beats a lot of ATGs -- guys revered but who he would have given fits.
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