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Old 11-25-2012, 06:25 AM   #136
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Old 11-25-2012, 06:29 AM   #137
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It was a clear UD. But I'll agree it was a good competitive fight. There were many rounds that Froch won or made close and Ward never broke his will. At the end of the fight it was Froch dictating the pace of the fight. People forget this last point very easily and conveniently.
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Old 11-25-2012, 06:32 AM   #138
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Ward is a better boxer than Joe. Even Ray Charles can see it.
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Old 11-25-2012, 06:32 AM   #139
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Baily is such a **** head. Why on earth hasn't this troll been banned yet?
Theres an E in Bailey dipsh#t
You just cant seem to get it right Robert, its a wonder they havent banned you for that
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Old 11-25-2012, 06:37 AM   #140
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I've watched Ward/Froch at least 5 times. I thought Froch won 2 or 3 rounds, but it was one of those fights that was more competitive than the score cards might make you believe. Over the years, Darnell Boone, Sakio Bika, and Carl Froch have exposed numerous weaknesses and flaws that people refuse to admit that Ward has.
Interesting
Some feel he lost to Boone and only drew with Bika.
His record could be 24-1-1 in some opinions
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Old 11-25-2012, 06:40 AM   #141
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Not American. And I never said it, no. It's a slight advantage, mentally, but Ward still schools Froch anywhere on the planet.
Proven how?
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Old 11-25-2012, 06:43 AM   #142
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Ward did not put a clinic on against Froch at all. Just rewatched.
Ward looked more composed than Froch, which gives a better impression of control, but try watching the fight without any commentary or sound, and you can see why the judges watched a close fight.
Ward was leaning and holding which isnt a clinic, like many would like to dream it was. Ward definately didnt close the show.

Rewatched and scored.


Round 1 . Even round
Round 2 . Ward
Round 3 . Even
Round 4 . Ward, full of holding and leaning
Round 5 . Froch, clinical finish to the round
Round 6 . Ward, close round
Round 7 . Ward, full of holding and leaning
Round 8 . Ward, full of holding and leaning
Round 9 . Froch, tough round to call
Round 10. Ward, tough round to call
Round 11. Froch, but Ward holding and leaning
Round 12. Froch

A close win to Ward but not a clinic,

A SMW clinic was Jones/Toney, Calzaghe/Lacy, Kessler/Andrade, etc

Ward seemed to be struggling at the end, as he did against Bika and Froch is an old SMW.
I don't care much for Ward's style and I haven't rewatched the fight, but I remember being impressed during that fight because I thought for once Ward just plain outfought someone instead of doing that John Ruiz impersonation. We must have watched different fights.
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Old 11-25-2012, 06:47 AM   #143
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He's already on his level, if not beyond, and he's only 28.


You really do have to be a pathetic twat to spend your days on a forum desperately trying to diminish the achievements of one fighter to trump the cause of another, whom who love, despite him being retired almost 5 years.
Says you coming out with that rubbish

How do you believe that, when Wards best win is a rusty, past best, double vision suffering fighter that Calzaghe took the 0 of?

Look at this and try not to duck the questions

Can any Ward fans answer the question below?

Calzaghe beat 3 undefeated fighters who had or went on to claim a SMW title.
Questions to the Ward fans and please dont duck the questions below

1. Someone tell me which top undefeated fighters Ward has beaten?
2. Tell me which top undefeated world champs Ward has fought?


Lets read the answers
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Try and debate against this

Andre Ward............VS.............Joe Calzaghe
Froch.....................................Kessler (Kessler the better win) (Kessler beat Froch)
Kessler...................................Eubank (Eubank the better win)
Dawson..................................Lacy (Lacy a proven SMW and winner of 5 SMW title fights. Dawson no pedigree at all at SMW) (Lacy the better win)
Abraham.................................Mitchell (Mitchell a 2 time SMW champ who had never been clearly beaten, only lost by debateable SD in Germany to Ottke, had KOd long time SMW champ Liles, beaten a future SMW champ twice, compared to AA who had done nothing at SMW) (Mitchell better win)
Bika.......................................Brewer (Bikas best win became Manfredo, Brewer had beaten H Graham and was a SMW champ) (Brewer the better win) (Bika was a Calzaghe left over at that time and had been out of the ring bar less than a round for a while)
Green.....................................Woodhall (Woodhall a SMW champ, who had beaten a reigning SMW champ, a world rated former champ, a future SMW champ and Branco a world rated SMW who became WBA LHW champ, who at SMW beat R Reid and G Johnson who when old and shot KOd Green) (Woodhall a better win)
Miranda...................................Bika (Bika now a top 5 SMW had drawn with 3 time SMW champ Beyer) (Bika a better win)
Buchanan (?????)......................Sheika (Sheika a better win) (Sheika was coming off a win over G Johnson and was a top 10 SMW at the time)
Camou (?????)..........................Veit (Veit a SMW title holder who had a fair resume, better than at least 2 of the current top 5 SMWs) (Veit a better win)Then include the Reid win and then the other top 10 SMWs and its clear Calzaghe is well ahead. I could have put Mkertchyan ahead of Green, Camou, Miranda, Buchanon

Very clear but nobody will have a sensible answer to say otherwise, it will just be a lame Faileys losing it answer when they cant debate against

Somebody tell me how Ward has done more than that.



Nobody can counter the above or answer the questions. In fact they hide from the questions
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Old 11-25-2012, 06:54 AM   #144
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It was a good competetive fight.. Ward took it clearly though. 9 - 3 or 8 - 4.
Many rounds were competitive, however you scored them.
You can have fights where all rounds are close but you could have a 120/108 end card, but here rounds were close and Froch without the commentary looked to have taken several of them, just not enough for a draw or decision, but not massively behind as 2 of the cards revealed.
Many are fooled by commentary and official cards, whichever suits their agenda
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Wasn't a clinic when compared to Toney/Jones or Calzaghe/Lacy...

But a pretty clear win for Ward.
Fair comment, and honest. I think Ward won.
Froch put on a clinic against Abraham
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Old 11-25-2012, 06:57 AM   #145
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Ward is a better boxer than Joe. Even Ray Charles can see it.
Many supposedly were, but they couldnt beat him.
Floyd Mayweather is a better boxer than Jose Luis Castillo, but many feel Castillo beat Floyd when they first fought.
There are several other examples that can be pointed to
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Old 11-25-2012, 07:02 AM   #146
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I don't care much for Ward's style and I haven't rewatched the fight, but I remember being impressed during that fight because I thought for once Ward just plain outfought someone instead of doing that John Ruiz impersonation. We must have watched different fights.
Ward looked far more compossed compared to Froch who looks awkward, but Ward looked to win many rounds by laying on Froch and holding him against the ropes, similar to what Guerrero did to Berto last night.
Ward was probably heavier on the night and physically stronger than Froch, but Froch was always throwing shots back, and Ward was trying to stay close to neutralise the leverage of Frochs shots which did work to a degree, but many rounds were very close and Froch was winning some rounds
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Old 11-25-2012, 07:34 AM   #147
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It was a tale of Ward controlling the fight with his jab at his range, Froch being forced to lunge in and either getting caught with short hooks or tied up and caught with hooks off the break and Ward countering Froch all night leaving him confused and befuddled.

The fact that you start your fight analysis with an Even first round says it all.
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Old 11-25-2012, 07:38 AM   #148
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ward had beat the best competition at 168 and beat the best fighter at 175...deal with it
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Old 11-25-2012, 09:24 AM   #149
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It was a tale of Ward controlling the fight with his jab at his range, Froch being forced to lunge in and either getting caught with short hooks or tied up and caught with hooks off the break and Ward countering Froch all night leaving him confused and befuddled.
Deluded.
You make it sound like the rounds werent close and Froch was getting a one sided hammering
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The fact that you start your fight analysis with an Even first round says it all
Doesnt say a thing other than you have this ridiculous belief that if neither fighter lands, you have to score for one of the fighters because thats what certain judges like.
With that you have shown me that you cannot make a decision for yourself and that you are influenced by others. Shame on you really.
Tell me what happened in that deadly first round where one fighter was dominating to make you truly side with one over the other
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Old 11-25-2012, 09:27 AM   #150
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ward had beat the best competition at 168
He beat Kessler, which was his best win, but avoided Bute which if ward had of won, would have been his big win due to Bute being an undefeated world champ. Ward has kept away from those

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and beat the best fighter at 175...deal with it
Didnt do it at 175 though, did he! That best fighter at 175 had no pedigree at SMW and his best LHW win was over a 47 year old
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