being a great body puncher doesn' t translate to being a great head puncher

[Ricky42791]

Sorry for the awkward sentence but i didnt know how else to phrase it. There are fighters like Ricky Hatton, Micky Ward and Jerry Quarry who have great body punches ironically all of them shared the same sunday punch the left hook to the liver. All of them could hurt and stop opponents with one body shot but they didnt have the same knockout power to the head. Not to say they were weak punchers but just didnt have the same clout when punching up to the head. Is it the different leverage? Did they just practice/focus more training specifically for the body? what are the determining factors that make fighters have one punch ko power in a body shot opposed to a head shot. Obviously there are lots of different factors but generally what are your thoughts on this issue.

Ricky

[OMGWTF]

Great question its weird I was just about to ask a very smiler question no BS!!!

I suspect they are hitting with "strength" and not "snap" .

Snappy punches are more likely to KO someone up stares because they shake the brain more violently. (The head is light and so rebounds off a snappy punch forceful and quickly, and theres a brain inside to shake around violently)

But snapping punches are less likely to cause damage to the liver, because you need to dig deep to get at it and that requires more strength. (The body is heavy and dosnt rebound nor does it have a brain inside to shake about, and so you need to dig/drive deep to hit the liver, which strong punchers tend to do)

I was gonna ask why dont snappy punches hit the liver as well as "strong" punches since they have superior penetration due to speed/velocity they send force inwards rather than around an object, and also you can drive them deep if you choose!?

[Ricky42791]

Good point, thats my best punch as well left hook to the liver. I have good power to the head but my body shots seem to do more damage. maybe the torque has something to do with it as well. i'm awfully short for my weight class as well

[OMGWTF]

Originally Posted by Ricky42791

Good point, thats my best punch as well left hook to the liver. I have good power to the head but my body shots seem to do more damage. maybe the torque has something to do with it as well. i'm awfully short for my weight class as well

Do you take advantage of the stretch reflex in your midsection does your body rotate in split second sequences feet first then hips then midsection?

Or do you twist your whole body in one go? ie foot hip and shoulders all turn at once?

[Ricky42791]

I slip the right hand or just dip to my left which is also cocking back my left hook and then throw it usually in one motion, sometimes the pivot comes slightly before the hips and shoulders, depending on balance sometime I might just plant my front foot and rotate my hips and shoulders instantaneously

[OMGWTF]

Originally Posted by Ricky42791

I slip the right hand or just dip to my left which is also cocking back my left hook and then throw it usually in one motion, sometimes the pivot comes slightly before the hips and shoulders, depending on balance sometime I might just plant my front foot and rotate my hips and shoulders instantaneously

Try Rotating your foot and hips 1st and *slightly* delaying your midsection (abs, obliques) and shoulders before letting your hips turn your midsection and shoulders. See if that adds speed and snap and power and therefore improve your head shot ability.

Its counter intuitive you would think a slight delay would make you slower but its actually faster and more powerful this way.

[OMGWTF]

Heres a proper instruction how to improve your headshots in all your punches especially your left hook.

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[OMGWTF]

Dont forget the drop step as well Dempsey style!

[Ricky42791]

The drop step was for straight rights hooks were the shoulder whirl...

[OMGWTF]

Originally Posted by Ricky42791

The drop step was for straight rights hooks were the shoulder whirl...

You can apply the drop (stationary) or drop step (trigger step forward) to any punch.

Same with the shoulder whirl although the whirl has been updated, its best to rotate from the feet and hips upwards a much more powerful way to whirl or rotate.

[markiepoop]

i think precise accuracy has to do with it too along with the points you guys mentioned.

Some good body punchers aim very well for the liver/right at the solar plexus which amplifies the damage by alot..

[greynotsoold]

I think that a lot of fighters find it easier to get their shoulder turned into a hook to the body, and tend to throw more of an arm punch with the hook to the head.

[Ricky42791]

Do you guys always pivot with your front foot when throwing a left hook to the body or just put 90% on your weight on your front foot and torque the hips and shoulders?

[greynotsoold]

When you throw the left hook, the weight has to go back to (end up on) the right leg, so you can throw a right hand behind it. You see a lot of guys that just lay in and punch off that front foot, Juan Diaz for example, and it costs them in the long run. First, you won't punch hard because you aren't transferring your weight into your punches. Second, your mobility is shot because you cannot move with your weight forward like that. Third, you are leaning right into counter punches, especially uppercuts.

[Ricky42791]

hmmm interesting I think I understand what you mean at least with the weight transfer but what if you fight in more of a crouch like tyson?