Slipping inside the jab....are these 2 counter punches good or not

[highguard]

hey guys,

i was wondering about something

i have always like Slipping inside the jab
and the counters that always worked for me

have been inside slip-over hand right
inside slip-left jab(kind of half jab,half upper cut)


but recently with my new coach she has trying to get to the
fellowing 2 counters which are driving crazy

Slip inside the jab-straight right to the body
this never works for me in sparring but when doing drills it feels ok

now 2nd is even worse for me

inside slip-left hook to the body
this never feels good sparring or drilling
i feel streched out and off balance

my coach says
that i should step more to the left when i do it
but man
the guy is throwing a fast jab, how do i get the time to
slip and step to left-throw the shot+his elbow is there to block

now is it me doing these 2 wrong
or are they just not realistic to do

[r1p00pk]

Originally Posted by highguard

hey guys,

i was wondering about something

i have always like Slipping inside the jab
and the counters that always worked for me

have been inside slip-over hand right
inside slip-left jab(kind of half jab,half upper cut)


but recently with my new coach she has trying to get to the
fellowing 2 counters which are driving crazy

Slip inside the jab-straight right to the body
this never works for me in sparring but when doing drills it feels ok

now 2nd is even worse for me

inside slip-left hook to the body
this never feels good sparring or drilling
i feel streched out and off balance

my coach says
that i should step more to the left when i do it
but man
the guy is throwing a fast jab, how do i get the time to
slip and step to left-throw the shot+his elbow is there to block

now is it me doing these 2 wrong
or are they just not realistic to do

well id argue that every counter works if you position yourself right. I know its not the answer you want but realistically yes both are good combination and both are there majority of the time if you one, hit him enough to make him put a high guard and the second one hit enough to put his guard low. Timing depends on how good your timing is, since its a sparring match i suggest practicing your timing, testing it in sparring. If you get hit who cares, your sparring.


my 2 cents

[greynotsoold]

For the first, the inside slip with the straight right to the heart...Keep in mind that the motion to throw a straight right and to slip inside a jab are the same. This, honestly, is the #1 natural counter in boxing.
The second, the inside slip with a left hook to the body...You don't want to start from too far away, as the move has to be real quick, well-timed, and you have to be moving in as his arm is coming out. You simply turn your weight over your left leg as you step in (a small quick step) then turn it back over your right leg as you deliver the punch.
In both cases, and especially in the second, you'll want to remember to bring your right foot with you. Slide it up right away. I would bet, sight unseen, that that is what you are doing that is giving you problems, lagging your right foot.

[highguard]

Originally Posted by greynotsoold

For the first, the inside slip with the straight right to the heart...Keep in mind that the motion to throw a straight right and to slip inside a jab are the same. This, honestly, is the #1 natural counter in boxing.
The second, the inside slip with a left hook to the body...You don't want to start from too far away, as the move has to be real quick, well-timed, and you have to be moving in as his arm is coming out. You simply turn your weight over your left leg as you step in (a small quick step) then turn it back over your right leg as you deliver the punch.
In both cases, and especially in the second, you'll want to remember to bring your right foot with you. Slide it up right away. I would bet, sight unseen, that that is what you are doing that is giving you problems, lagging your right foot.

wow amazing answer espically on the last part, now that i think
about it, yep my right foot is lagging behind

but about the left hook to the body,
like you said it has to be done real quick
and i am a 240 pound heavyweight
with a coach use to be a batamweight

so it honestly be a quickness issue and he might not see that such moves are much easier for small guys to do

[greynotsoold]

It isn't a size issue at all...Go to the first page of this section and find the Tyson vs Williams thread. There is video of Tyson koing Williams with an inside slip and left hook. When you slip (and counter) you have to move with the same energy and snap as when you punch.
By the way, when you slip in and go to the body with the hook, throw it real tight, more of an uppercut, and target the stomach, instead of trying to get around his right elbow.

[highguard]

Originally Posted by greynotsoold

It isn't a size issue at all...Go to the first page of this section and find the Tyson vs Williams thread. There is video of Tyson koing Williams with an inside slip and left hook. When you slip (and counter) you have to move with the same energy and snap as when you punch.
By the way, when you slip in and go to the body with the hook, throw it real tight, more of an uppercut, and target the stomach, instead of trying to get around his right elbow.

the hook to the head off an inside slip
is actually a move i am pretty good at,
so on that counter i am ok with the mechanics


and about the stomach part, my coach says that too
do you have much success with this move?

[MagnificentMatt]

You are worrying about the speed of the move, when the critical aspect of it is the timing.

[greynotsoold]

Originally Posted by highguard

the hook to the head off an inside slip
is actually a move i am pretty good at,
so on that counter i am ok with the mechanics


and about the stomach part, my coach says that too
do you have much success with this move?

It is a short shot, takes the breath. If he starts making moves to block that punch, it opens up the hook to the head. The timing of the move and the placement of the punch are pretty important.

[highguard]

Originally Posted by MagnificentMatt

You are worrying about the speed of the move, when the critical aspect of it is the timing.

well ofcourse the timing is important but if your not fast enough to pull something off then you how can have the timing lol

[wordisbond]

I think to pull of the inside slip/left hook you also gotta commit to the slip (if that makes sense). You are gonna temporarily put yourself in the line of fire (for his right hand) so you gotta make the slip as quick and tight as possible. You gotta also put yourself in range to land the left hook so you might also have to move forward/to the left when you make your initial slip.

[greynotsoold]

Originally Posted by wordisbond

I think to pull of the inside slip/left hook you also gotta commit to the slip (if that makes sense). You are gonna temporarily put yourself in the line of fire (for his right hand) so you gotta make the slip as quick and tight as possible. You gotta also put yourself in range to land the left hook so you might also have to move forward/to the left when you make your initial slip.

The thing about his right hand...This is why the timing is crucial, because he can't hit you with his right hand (in any meaningful way) until his left hand comes back. So you slip the jab as it is coming to you, not when it gets to you. And when you slip, you slip the length of the punch, not the end of it. If that makes any sense.

[highguard]

Originally Posted by greynotsoold

The thing about his right hand...This is why the timing is crucial, because he can't hit you with his right hand (in any meaningful way) until his left hand comes back. So you slip the jab as it is coming to you, not when it gets to you. And when you slip, you slip the length of the punch, not the end of it. If that makes any sense.

that makes total sense
and i think i only ever got hit
once with a right once
when slipping inside

i was talking more about left hook to the body
off an inside slip

because it seems to be move with the most "steps"
off an inside slip

[darryl1914]

Like this

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XPm7uWgRTQ[/ame]

[greynotsoold]

Originally Posted by highguard

that makes total sense
and i think i only ever got hit
once with a right once
when slipping inside

i was talking more about left hook to the body
off an inside slip

because it seems to be move with the most "steps"
off an inside slip

As you slip, you can step straight in, to throw an uppercut to the chin or the body, or even a real tight hook to either target. To open up that angle, take the step forward and left- to the northwest? In either case remember to bring your right foot along.
That video above will get you messed up if you slip to the inside that way, by leaning to your left. You'll be much better off if you slip inside by rolling your right shoulder forward. It is then the same move whether you are throwing a right as you slip, or coming back with the left, and, in either case your balance and ability to throw a second punch will be enhanced.

[brown bomber]

I like the left jab as you slip out... It's called the left on left I think