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Old 11-29-2012, 01:22 PM   #31
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Oh my god!

Khaosai's dominance is frightening!
It truly is. I've got him 8-0. What is going on?

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Chang loses out here as light fly was bracketed with fly for years so a lot of guys that would've been top ten @ 108 did not make top ten for the double division.
Jung-Koo Chang 10-4
Ricardo Lopez 9-0-1
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Old 11-29-2012, 02:28 PM   #32
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Jung-Koo Chang 10-4
Ricardo Lopez 9-0-1
Brutal truth.

Pretty sure Flea is devastated right now.
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Old 11-29-2012, 02:46 PM   #33
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Thanks! If you feel up to it would it be possible to check out:

Lupe Pintor
Gaby & Orlando
Happy Lora
just for a Chandler comparrison for me???

Also how about Prince Naseem
Bump!

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Old 11-29-2012, 02:53 PM   #34
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Hhascup posted this in a couple of places on the internet and since he hasn't shown up I thought I'd quote him here.

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Here's what I have on him:

Maxie Rosenbloom and the boxers he fought that were rated in the top 10 at one time or another:

Opponent-Time Rated-Months Rated-Highest Rating-Record Against

Jimmy Delaney 2/25-2/27 3 8 - 0-1-0
Jack Delaney 2/25 –1/29 10 1 - 0-1-0 HOF
Young Stribling x2 2/25-2/33 54 1 - 0-2-0 HOF
Jimmy Slattery x7 2/25-2/32 50 1 - 3-4-0 HOF
Leo Lomski x6 2/26-4/31 34 1 - 3-1-2
George Manley x2 4/28-4/33 29 1 - 0-2-0
King Levinsky 11/30-8/36 52 2 - 1-0-0
Jim Braddock x2 2/28-4/38 48 C - 1-0-0 (1 NC) HOF
Cuban Bobby Brown x4 7/28-10/29 12 5 - 4-0-0
Tiger Jack Payne x4 9/28-8/29 9 6 - 3-0-1
Pete Latzo x2 2/25-7/31 28 C - 1-1-0
Lou Scozza x7 8/28-5/34 58 1 - 4-3-0
Charley Belanger x3 5/28-10/31 27 5 - 3-0-0
Fred Lenhart x3 9/29-5/38 41 2 - 1-1-1
Billy Jones x3 8/29-12/34 49 1 -2-1-0
Dave Maier 1/32-8/32 8 1 - 0-1-0
Al Gainer x2 11/30-2/42 98 1 - 1-0-1
Bob Olin 12/30-2/39 47 C - 0-1-0
Joe Knight x2 8/31-5/36 54 1 - 0-1-1
Adolf Heuser 4/32-2/40 40 1 - 1-0-0
Bob Godwin x7 12/31-5/35 36 1 - 3-1-3
Bob Pastor 12/36-2/43 67 1 - 0-0-1
Jimmy Adamick x2 2/38-2/39 8 6 - 1-1-0
Lou Nova 2/38-8/45 50 1 - 1-0-0
John Henry Lewis x5 1/33-1/40 86 C - 3-2-0 HOF
Tony Shucco x2 8/32-2/43 48 1 - 1-1-0
Clyde Chastain x3 4/30-6/34 5 1 - 0-1-2
Mickey Walker x2 2/25-9/34 67 C - 1-1-0 HOF
Johnny Miler x3 1/35-2/35 2 7 - 2-0-1
Leo Kelly x4 3/35-9/37 19 1 - 3-0-1
Tiger Jack Fox x3 6/37-11/44 36 1 - 1-1-1
Tiger Flowers x3 2/25-2/28 4 1 - 1-0-2 HOF
Johnny Wilson x2 2/25-2/25 1 5 - 2-0-0
Jock Malone 2/25-12/29 4 6 - 0-1-0
Dave Shade x2 2/25-2/35 78 1 - 2-0-0 HOF
Roland Todd 2/26-2/26 1 9 - 1-0-0
Phil Kaplan x2 2/26-9/30 18 2 - 2-0-0
Tommy Milligan 2/26-9/28 4 2 - 0-1-0
Jack McVey x2 2/26-4/31 37 3 - 2-0-0
Frankie Schoell x6 2/25-6/29 15 6 - 3-1-2
Ace Hudkins 2/26-2/32 36 1 - 1-0-0
Harry Ebbets 4/28-8/33 42 1 - 1-0-0
Harry Greb 2/25-2/26 2 1 - 0-1-0 HOF
Owen Phelps 10/31-12/32 3 7 - 1-0-0
Art Weigand 2/26-8/28 6 7 - 0-1-0

60-33-19 (1 NC) = 113

Roscoe Toles x1 6/37-5/43 49 4 - 1-0-0
Joe Anderson x4 2/27-12/28 6 4 - 3-0-1
Yale Okun xx2 2/26-6/32 8 2 - 1-0-1
Osk Till x2 2/27-4/29 2 6 - 2-0-0
Lee Ramage x4 5/32-5/37 21 7 - 1-2-1
Leroy Haynes x2 4/36-2/39 11 3 - 2-0-0
Larry Johnson x3 2/30-2/32 16 1 - 3-0-0

that’s well in excess of 100 fights against the best middles, light heavies and heavies. Plenty of Hall of Famers as well.

73–35-22 (1 NC) = 131

He also fought the following boxers that were rated in the Top 10 at one time or another.

Young Johnny Burns – 0-0-1
George Courtney – 1-0-0
Allentown Joe Gans – 1-0-0
Frank Moody – 1-0-0
Young Tony Marullo – 1-0-0
Tiger Thomas – 1-0-0
Harry Dillon – 1-0-0
Leo Williams – 2-0-0
Joe Sekyra – 1-0-0
George Hoffman – 1-0-0
Abie Bain – 1-0-0
Joe Banovic – 2-0-0
**** Daniels – 1-0-0
Gordon Fortenbberry – 2-0-0
Don “Red” Barry – 1-0-0
Natie Brown - 1-0-0
KO Christner - 1-0-0
Rosy Rosales - 2-0-0
Wilson Dunn - 1-0-0
Charley Massera – 1-1-0
Leroy Brown - 1-0-0
Frank Rowsey – 3-0-0
Oscar Rankin - 1-0-0
Ford Smith - 1-0-0
Hank Hankinson – 0-2-0
Alberto Santiago Lovell – 0-1-0
Bob Nestell - 1-0-0
Al Ettore - 1-0-0
Battling Bozo – 1-0-3
Patsy Perroni - 1-0-0

106-39-26 (1 NC) = 172

That is by far the most Top 10 contenders that one boxer ever fought. The next highest is approx. 60 less. If you go by percentage wise, Ali is on top with over 80% (49 out of 61). These last figures are based on boxers that were rated in the Top 10 at one time or another. Ali was 32-5 against boxers that were rated in the top 10 at the time he fought them.

Maxie also beat Ted Kid Lewis, BUT even though Lewis was a Champion, he was never rated in the Top 10 by Ring because they didn't have ratings until 1925 and Lewis was past his prime by then.
And for good measure here's his take on Harry Greb
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Harry Greb's Best Wins: (number of wins over that opponent)
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Gene Tunney ([Only registered and activated users can see links. ]) (1) – Hall of Famer – World Heavyweight Champion – Beat Dempsey twice
Tommy Loughran ([Only registered and activated users can see links. ]) (4) – Hall of Famer – World Light Heavyweight Champion
Jimmy Slattery ([Only registered and activated users can see links. ]) (1) – Hall of Famer – World Light Heavyweight Champion
Maxie Rosenbloom ([Only registered and activated users can see links. ]) (1) – Hall of Famer – World Light Heavyweight Champion
Jack Dillon ([Only registered and activated users can see links. ]) (2) – Hall of Famer – World Light Heavyweight Champion
Battling Levinsky ([Only registered and activated users can see links. ]) (6) – Hall of Famer – World Light Heavyweight Champion
Mike McTigue ([Only registered and activated users can see links. ]) (2) – World Light Heavyweight Champion
Mickey Walker ([Only registered and activated users can see links. ]) (1) – Hall of Famer – World Welterweight & Middleweight Champion
Tiger Flowers ([Only registered and activated users can see links. ]) Hall of Famer – World Champion Middleweight Champion
Mike Gibbons ([Only registered and activated users can see links. ]) (1) – Hall of Famer
Tommy Gibbons ([Only registered and activated users can see links. ]) (2) – Hall of Famer – Went 15 rounds with Dempsey for Heavyweight Title
Kid Norfolk ([Only registered and activated users can see links. ]) (1) – Hall of Famer
Billy Miske ([Only registered and activated users can see links. ]) (2) – Hall of Famer - Fought Dempsey for Heavyweight Title
Jack Blackburn ([Only registered and activated users can see links. ]) Hall of Famer as a trainer
Al McCoy ([Only registered and activated users can see links. ]) (2) – World Middleweight Champion
George Chip ([Only registered and activated users can see links. ]) (2) – World Middleweight Champion
Johnny Wilson ([Only registered and activated users can see links. ]) (3) – World Middleweight Champion
Eddie McGoorty ([Only registered and activated users can see links. ]) (1) – Claimed World Middleweight Champion
Willie Meehan ([Only registered and activated users can see links. ]) (2) – Beat Dempsey twice
Gunboat Smith ([Only registered and activated users can see links. ]) (2) – Top Heavyweight
Bill Brennan ([Only registered and activated users can see links. ]) (4) – Fought Dempsey for Heavyweight Title
Augie Ratner ([Only registered and activated users can see links. ]) - Defeated four world champions in his career
Young Ahearn ([Only registered and activated users can see links. ])
Jeff Smith ([Only registered and activated users can see links. ])
Soldier Bartfield ([Only registered and activated users can see links. ])
Leo Houck ([Only registered and activated users can see links. ])
Tommy Robson ([Only registered and activated users can see links. ])
Bartley Madden ([Only registered and activated users can see links. ])
Tommy Robson ([Only registered and activated users can see links. ])
Joe Borrell ([Only registered and activated users can see links. ])
Bob Moha ([Only registered and activated users can see links. ])
Chuck Wiggins ([Only registered and activated users can see links. ])
Jack Renault ([Only registered and activated users can see links. ])
Charley Weinert ([Only registered and activated users can see links. ])
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Lou Bogash ([Only registered and activated users can see links. ])
Bryan Downey ([Only registered and activated users can see links. ])
Jackie Clark ([Only registered and activated users can see links. ])
Jimmy Delaney ([Only registered and activated users can see links. ])
Jack Red**** ([Only registered and activated users can see links. ])
Roland Todd ([Only registered and activated users can see links. ])
Allentown Joe Gans ([Only registered and activated users can see links. ])
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Old 11-29-2012, 04:34 PM   #35
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Old 11-29-2012, 05:08 PM   #36
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Some 130lbers:

Arguello:

Legra KO1
Marcel L15
Hafey KO5
Olivares KO13
Hernadez KO8
Kobayashi KO3
Solis KO5
Escalera KO13, KO13
Fernandez L10
Leon W15
Limon KO11
Chacon KO7
Castillo KO11
Watt W15
Mancini KO14
Ganigan KO5
Pryor LKO14, LKO10

I make that 15-4

Chacon

Olivares LKO9
Marcano KO9
Olivares LKO2, W10
Limon TD7, W10, W15
Arguello LKO7
Edwards LKO13, W12
Mancini LKO3
Solis KO5

7-5

Elorde

Saddler W10, LKO13
Berrios L10, L10
Chesnut W12
Rosi L10
Leon W10
Gomes KO7, KO1
Capari KO1
Copeland W15
Bizzarro W15
Allotey W10, TD11
Ortiz LKO14, LKO14
Kosaka KO12
Suh W12, W15
Barrientos W12
Kosak KO15
Laguna W10
Numata L15
Kakizama L10

16-8
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Bump!

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Seconded! I'd imagine it was between 6-10 wins and 1 defeat but I'd like to get an official number on that
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Oh my god!

Khaosai's dominance is frightening!
Nope, Flea was right about him all along.
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Brutal truth.

Pretty sure Flea is devastated right now.


WAR LOOOOOPEEEEEZZZZ!!!
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Salvador Sanchez
1980-02-02 Danny Lopez TKO13
1980-04-12 Ruben Castillo UD15
1980-06-21 Danny Lopez TKO14
1980-09-13 Pat Ford MD15
1980-12-13 Juan Laporte UD15
1981-03-22 Roberto Castanon TKO10
1981-07-11 Nicky Perez PTS10
1981-08-21 Wilfredo Gomez TKO8
1981-12-12 Pat Cowdell SD15
1982-05-08 Rocky Garcia UD15
1982-07-21 Azumah Nelson TKO15

11-0-0
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Pedroza's record is not better than Sanchez's.
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Found another hhascup post with figures
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Monzon was 15-0
Marciano was 11-0
Salvador Sanchez 11-0 (if you count the Gomez bout)
Michael Spinks was 13-1

Note:
Aaron Pryor was 9-0
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It truly is. I've got him 8-0. What is going on?


Jung-Koo Chang 10-4
Ricardo Lopez 9-0-1
Cheers. Consider Chang's 'defeats' to Zapata and Chitalada and he could well be 12-2; which isn't too shabby.

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Pedroza's record is not better than Sanchez's.
Nope but he was better.
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