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Old 12-14-2012, 02:06 PM   #61
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Thought it was strictly at the time? Some of these seem way off.
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Old 12-14-2012, 03:15 PM   #62
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Thought it was strictly at the time? Some of these seem way off.
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Marco Antonio Barrera
1994-04-13 Carlos Gabriel Salazar MD10
1995-03-31 Daniel Jimenez UD12
1995-06-02 Frank Toledo TKO2
1995-07-15 Maui Diaz TKO1
1995-08-22 Agapito Sanchez UD12
1995-11-04 Eddie Croft TKO7
1996-02-03 Kennedy McKinney TKO12
1996-05-04 Jesse Benavides KO3
1996-07-14 Orlando Fernandez TKO7
1996-09-14 Jesse Magana TKO10
1996-11-22 Junior Jones DQ5 (L)
1997-04-18 Junior Jones L12
1998-10-31 Richie Wenton TKO4
1999-04-03 Paul Lloyd RTD1
1999-08-07 Pastor Humberto Maurin UD12
2000-02-19 Erik Morales L12
2000-06-17 Luiz Freitas KO1
2000-09-09 Jose Luis Valbuena TKO6
2000-12-01 Jesus Salud TKO6
2001-04-07 Naseem Hamed UD12
2001-09-08 Enrique Sanchez RTD6
2002-06-22 Erik Morales UD12
2002-11-02 Johnny Tapia UD12
2003-04-12 Kevin Kelley TKO4
2003-11-15 Manny Pacquiao TKO'd11
2004-06-19 Paulie Ayala TKO10
2004-11-27 Erik Morales MD12
2005-04-09 Mzonke Fana KO2
2005-09-17 Robbie Peden UD12
2006-05-20 Rocky Juarez SD12
2006-09-16 Rocky Juarez UD12
2007-03-17 Juan Manuel Marquez L12
2007-10-06 Manny Pacquiao L12
2009-03-14 Amir Khan TD5 (L)
27-7-0

Miguel Cotto
2003-02-01 Cesar Bazan TKO11
2003-06-28 Rocky Martinez KO2
2003-09-13 Demetrio Ceballos TKO7
2003-12-06 Carlos Maussa TKO8
2004-02-28 Victoriano Sosa TKO4
2004-05-08 Lovemore N'Dou UD12
2004-09-11 Kelson Pinto TKO6
2004-12-11 Randall Bailey TKO6
2005-02-26 Demarcus Corley TKO5
2005-06-11 Mohammad Abdullaev TKO9
2005-09-24 Ricardo Torres KO7
2006-03-04 Gianluca Branco TKO8
2006-06-10 Paulie Malignaggi UD12
2006-12-02 Carlos Quintana RTD5
2007-03-03 Oktay Urkal TKO11
2007-06-09 Zab Judah TKO11
2007-11-10 Shane Mosley UD12
2008-04-12 Alfonso Gomez RTD5
2008-07-26 Antonio Margarito TKO'd11
2009-02-21 Michael Jennings TKO5
2009-06-13 Joshua Clottey SD12
2009-11-14 Manny Pacquiao TKO'd12
2010-06-05 Yuri Foreman TKO9
2011-03-12 Ricardo Mayorga TKO12
2011-12-03 Antonio Margarito TKO10
2012-05-05 Floyd Mayweather Jr. L12
2012-12-01 Austin Trout L12
23-4-0
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Old 12-15-2012, 12:17 PM   #63
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James Toney
10/05/1991 Michael Nunn TKO11
29/06/1991 Reggie Johnson SD12
12/10/1991 Francesco Dell'Aquilla TKO4
13/12/1991 Mike McCallum D12
08/02/1992 Dave Tiberi SD12
11/04/1992 Glenn Wolfe UD12
29/08/1992 Mike McCallum MD12
05/12/1992 Doug DeWitt RTD6 (W)
13/02/1993 Iran Barkley RTD9 (W)
29/10/1993 Tony Thornton UD12
05/03/1994 Tim Littles TKO4
29/07/1994 Charles Williams KO12
18/11/1994 Roy Jones Jr. L12
18/02/1995 Montell Griffin L12
06/12/1996 Montell Griffin L12
22/02/1997 Mike McCallum UD12
18/08/2002 Jason Robinson KO7
26/04/2003 Vassiliy Jirov UD12
04/10/2003 Evander Holyfield TKO9
23/09/2004 Rydell Booker UD12
30/04/2005 John Ruiz UD12* No contest tested positive steroids
01/10/2005 Dominick Guinn UD12
18/03/2006 Hasim Rahman D12
02/09/2006 Samuel Peter L12
06/01/2007 Samuel Peter L12
13/12/2008 Fres Oquendo SD12
04/11/2011 Denis Lebedev L12
19-6-2

Joe Calzaghe
1997-10-11 Chris Eubank UD12
1998-01-24 Branko Sobot TKO3
1998-04-25 Juan Carlos Gimenez Ferreyra RTD9
1999-02-13 Robin Reid SD12
1999-06-05 Rick Thornberry UD12
2000-01-29 David Starie UD12
2000-08-12 Omar Sheika TKO5
2000-12-16 Richie Woodhall TKO10
2001-04-28 Mario Veit TKO1
2001-10-13 Will McIntyre TKO4
2002-04-20 Charles Brewer UD12
2002-08-17 Miguel Angel Jimenez UD12
2002-12-14 Tocker Pudwill TKO2
2003-06-28 Byron Mitchell TKO2
2004-02-21 Mger Mkrtchyan TKO7
2004-10-22 Kabary Salem UD12
2005-05-07 Mario Veit TKO6
2005-09-10 Evans Ashira UD12
2006-03-04 Jeff Lacy UD12
2006-10-14 Sakio Bika UD12
2007-04-07 Peter Manfredo Jr TKO3
2007-11-03 Mikkel Kessler UD12
2008-04-19 Bernard Hopkins SD12
2008-11-08 Roy Jones Jr. UD12
24-0-0

Erik Morales
1997-09-06 Daniel Zaragoza KO11
1997-12-12 John Lowey TKO7
1998-04-03 Remigio Molina TKO6
1998-05-16 Jose Luis Bueno KO2
1998-09-12 Junior Jones KO4
1999-02-13 Angel Chacon KO2
1999-05-08 Juan Carlos Ramirez TKO9
1999-07-31 Reynante Jamili TKO6
1999-10-22 Wayne McCullough UD12
2000-02-19 Marco Antonio Barrera SD12
2000-09-02 Kevin Kelley TKO7
2001-02-17 Guty Espadas Jr UD12
2002-07-31 In-Jin Chi UD12
2002-06-22 Marco Antonio Barrera L12
2002-11-16 Paulie Ayala UD12
2003-02-22 Edward Lee Croft TKO3
2003-07-31 Fernando Velardez TKO5
2003-10-04 Guty Espadas Jr KO3
2004-02-28 Jesus Chavez UD12
2004-07-31 Carlos Hernandez UD12
2004-11-27 Marco Antonio Barrera L12
2005-03-19 Manny Pacquiao UD12
2005-09-10 Zahir Raheem L12
2006-01-21 Manny Pacquiao TKO'd10
2006-11-18 Manny Pacquiao KO'd3
2007-08-04 David Diaz L12
2010-03-27 Jose Alfaro UD12
2011-04-09 Marcos Maidana L12
2011-09-17 Pablo Cesar Cano TKO10
2012-03-24 Danny Garcia L12
2012-10-20 Danny Garcia KO4
22-9-0

Chris Eubank
18/11/1990 Nigel Benn TKO9
23/02/1991 Dan Sherry TD10 (W)
18/04/1991 Gary Stretch TKO6
22/06/1991 Michael Watson MD12
21/09/1991 Michael Watson TKO12
01/02/1992 Thulani Malinga SD12
25/04/1992 John Jarvis KO3
27/06/1992 Ron Essett UD12
19/09/1992 Tony Thornton UD12
28/11/1992 Juan Carlos Gimenez UD12
20/02/1993 Lindell Holmes UD12
15/05/1993 Ray Close D12
09/10/1993 Nigel Benn D12
05/02/1994 Graciano Rocchigiani UD12
21/05/1994 Ray Close SD12
09/07/1994 Mauricio Amaral UD12
27/08/1994 Sam Storey TKO7
15/10/1994 Dan Schommer UD12
10/12/1994 Henry Wharton UD12
18/03/1995 Steve Collins L12
29/07/1995 Jose Ignacio Barruetabena KO1
09/09/1995 Steve Collins L12
11/10/1997 Joe Calzaghe L12
18/04/1998 Carl Thompson L12
18/07/1998 Carl Thompson RTD'd9
18-5-2

Julian Jackson
1986–08–23 Mike McCallum TKO'd2
1987–11–21 Baek In-Chul TKO3
1988–07–30 Buster Drayton TKO3
1989–02–25 Francisco de Jesus KO8
1989–07–30 Terry Norris TKO2
1990–11–24 Herol Graham KO4
1991–09–14 Dennis Milton KO1
1992–02–15 Ismael Negron TKO1
1992–04–10 Ron Collins TKO5
1992–08–01 Thomas Tate UD12
1993–05–08 Gerald McClellan TKO'd5
1994–05–07 Gerald McClellan KO'd1
1995–03–17 Agostino Cardamone TKO2
1995–08–19 Quincy Taylor TKO'd6
10-4-0
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Old 04-10-2013, 05:39 PM   #64
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SUGAR RAY ROBINSON's TOP 10 RATED OPPONENTS

Sugar Ray Robinson first appears in The Ring ratings on March 11, 1941. He debuts at No. 7 in the lightweight division.

1941: Sammy Angott (No. 1 LW) (@135)
1941: Maxie Shapiro (No. 9 LW) (@135)
1941: Fritzie Zivic (No. 1 WW)
-- Robinson debuts at No. 1 in the welterwight ratings after win over Zivic.
1942: Fritzie Zivic (No. 3 WW)
1942: Norman Rubio (No. 9 WW)
1942: Marty Servo (No. 7 WW)
1942: Sammy Angott (World LW Champ) (@ 147)
1942: Tony Motisi (No. 9 WW)
1942: Jake LaMotta (No. 10 MW)
1942: Izzy Janazzo (No. 9 WW)
1942: Izzy Janazzo (No. 9 WW)
1943: Jake La Motta (No. 6 MW) - LOSS
1943: Jackie Wilson (No. 2 WW)
1943: Jake La Motta (No. 1 MW)
1943: Henry Armstrong (No. 2 WW)
1944: Vic Dellicurti (No. 10 MW)
1945: Tommy Bell (No. 6 WW)
1945: Jake LaMotta (No. 3 MW)
1945: Jose Basora (No. 6 MW) - DRAW
1945: Jimmy McDaniels (No. 6 WW)
1945: Jake LaMotta (No. 1 MW)
1946: Sammy Angott (No. 6 WW)
1946: Joe Curcio (No. 9 WW)
1946: Tommy Bell (No. 2 WW)
-- Wins vacant Welterweight title.
1947: Georgie Abrams (No. 3 MW)
1947: Jimmy Doyle (No. 6 WW)
-- Defends Welterweight title
1948: Bernard Docusen (No. 1 WW)
-- Defends Welterweight title
1948: Kid Gavilan (No. 1 WW)
1949: Kid Gavilan (No. 1 WW)
-- Defends Welterweight title
1949: Steve Belloise (No. 2 MW)
-- Robinson debuts at No. 1 at middleweight after win over Belloise. He still continues to hold the welterweight championship.
1950: George Costner (No. 2 WW)
1950: Robert Villemain (No. 2 MW)
1950: Charley Fusari (No. 5 WW)
-- Defends Welterweight title.
1950: Robert Villemain (No. 4 MW)
1951: Jake LaMotta (World MW Champion)
-- Wins Middleweight title
-- Robinson vacates welterweight title after win over LaMotta.
1951: Randy Turpin (No. 1 MW) - LOSS
-- Loses Middleweight title
1951: Randy Turpin (World MW Champion)
-- Wins Middleweight title
1952: Carl "Bobo" Olson (No. 5 MW)
-- Defends Middleweight title
1952: Rocky Graziano (No. 9 MW)
-- Defends Middleweight title
1952: Joey Maxim (World LHW Champion) - LOSS
-- Robinson retires for 30 months after loss to Maxim.
1955: Rocky Castellani (No. 2 MW)
1955: Carl "Bobo" Olson (World MW Champion)
-- Wins Middleweight title
1956: Carl "Bobo" Olson (No. 1 MW)
-- Defends Middleweight title
1957: Gene Fullmer (No. 1 MW) - LOSS
-- Loses Middleweight title
1957: Gene Fullmer (World MW Champion)
-- Wins Middleweight title
1957: Carmen Basilio (World WW Champion) (@160)
-- Loses Middleweight title
1958: Carmen Basilio (World MW Champion)
-- Wins Middleweight title
1959: No fights vs. top contenders
1960: Paul Pender (No. 8 MW) - LOSS
-- Loses Middleweight title
1960: Paul Pender (World MW Champion) - LOSS
1960: Gene Fullmer (No. 1 MW) - DRAW (Not really)
1961: Gene Fullmer (No. 1 MW) - LOSS
1961: Denny Moyer (No. 9 MW)
1962: Denny Moyer (No. 9 MW) - LOSS
1962: Terry Downes (No. 3 MW) - LOSS
1963: Ralph Dupas (No. 3 WW) (@160)
1963: Joey Giardello (No. 3 MW) - LOSS
1964: No fights vs. top 10 contenders
1965: Stan Harrington (No. 9 MW) - LOSS
1965: Joey Archer (No. 4 MW) - LOSS
-- Robinson retires after loss to Archer.
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Old 04-10-2013, 05:41 PM   #65
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If we did it Ovids way, Robinson's list would likely be atleast twice as long as it is.
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Yep. I think ours is more instructive.
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Yep. I think ours is more instructive.
'At the time' is definitely a more curious exercise. Though it's not needed, pin pointing exact ratings is nice when you can get that information too. Who would've known Bernard Docusen was the No. 1 rated welter when Robinson defended against him? You wouldn't of known that from BR. Things changed quite A LOT within 12 months considering how active guys were during the era.
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'At the time' is definitely a more curious exercise. Though it's not needed, pin pointing exact ratings is nice when you can get that information too. Who would've known Bernard Docusen was the No. 1 rated welter when Robinson defended against him? You wouldn't of known that from BR. Things changed quite A LOT within 12 months considering how active guys were during the era.
Yeah, you could go from a force to a phantom in the course of a year. Both are useful but should be taken with grain of salt.
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Robinson wasn't fighting to see who the best is. He was fightin' for money, B.
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Robinson wasn't fighting to see who the best is. He was fightin' for money, B.
I think everybody is fighting for the money.
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Who are the others for Ray Leonard? Muniz?

1978: Floyd Mayweather Sr. (No. 6 WW)
-- Leonard enters the Top 10 at No. 8 after this fight
1978: Randy Shields (No. 4 WW)
1979: Johnny Gant (No. 4 WW)
1979: Adolfo Viruet (No. 8 JWW) (@147)
1979: Tony Chiaverini (No. 4 LMW) (@154)
1979: Pete Ranzany (No. 5 WW)
1979: Andy Price (No. 8 WW)
1979: Wilfred Benitez (World WW Champion)
-- Wins Welterweight title
1980: Dave "Boy" Green (No. 7 WW)
-- Defends Welterweight title
1980: Roberto Duran (No. 2 WW) - LOSS
-- Loses Welterweight title
1980: Roberto Duran (WW Champion)
-- Wins Welterweight title
1981: Larry Bonds (No. 15 WW) (The Ring did Top 15 back then)
-- Defends Welterweight title
1981: Ayub Kalule (World LMW Champion)
-- Wins Light Middleweight title
1981: Thomas Hearns (No. 1 WW; Titlist)
-- Defends Welterweight title
1982: Bruce Finch (No. 6 WW)
-- Defends Welterweight title
-- Fight scheduled for May 1982 with No. 2 WW Roger Stafford. Retirement.
1984: Kevin Howard (No. 16 WW)
1987: Marvin Hagler (World MW Champion)
-- Wins Middleweight title
1988: Donnie LaLonde (No. 4 LHW) (@168 )
1989: Thomas Hearns (No. 5 MW) - DRAW
1989: Roberto Duran (No. 2 MW)
1991: Terry Norris (No. 1 JMW) - LOSS
1997: Hector Camacho (No. 7) LOSS
Rafael Rodriguez was a former Top 10 contender at one point, and Willie "Fireball" Rodriguez would achieve a Top 10 rating at 140lbs after facing SRL.
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JERRY QUARRY VS TOP TEN 8-5-1- (4 KO)

06/09/67 Floyd Patterson (#4 WBA, #3 Ring) Draw 10
10/28/67 Floyd Patterson (#3 WBA , #5 Ring) WMD 12
02/03/68 Thad Spencer ( #1 WBA, #2 Ring) TKO 12
04/27/68 Jimmy Ellis (#2 WBA, #3 Ring) LMD 15
03/24/69 Buster Mathis (#6 WBA, #6 Ring) WUD 12
06/23/69 Joe Frazier (#1 WBA, #1 Ring) TKO BY 7
06/17/70 McArthur Foster (#5 WBA, #1 Ring) TKO 6
10/26/70 Muhammad Ali (Unranked-----Exiled)
11/16/71 Jack Bodell (#8 WBA, #8 Ring) KO 1
05/09/72 Larry Middleton (#8 WBA, #7 Ring) Wpts 10
06/27/72 Muhammad Ali (#1 WBA, #1 Ring) TKO BY 7
02/09/72 Ron Lyle (#4 WBA, #3 Ring) WUD 12
12/14/73 Earnie Shavers (#6 WBA, #6 Ring) TKO 1
06/17/74 Joe Frazier (#2 WBA, #2 Ring) TKO BY 5
03/24/75 Ken Norton (#7 WBA?- #4 Ring) TKO BY 5
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Hhascup posted this in a couple of places on the internet and since he hasn't shown up I thought I'd quote him here.



And for good measure here's his take on Harry Greb
Slapsie Maxie!!

I had no idea his resume was that stacked....I mean, I knew it was good, but that's ridiculous. I wonder why his name rarely, if ever comes up when the resume threads are made?
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