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Old 11-29-2012, 12:30 AM   #1
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Default Andre Berto has been in three hardcore wars: Collazo, Ortiz, Guerrero

No one can question dudes heart, controversy aside. Thoughts on this? Think they will take a toll in any upcoming bouts? I don't see him beating any top fighters. I just see him being competitive but getting beat up in all of them.
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Old 11-29-2012, 12:46 AM   #2
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Default Re: Andre Berto has been in three hardcore wars: Collazo, Ortiz, Guerrero

How about one more WAR, I suggest this psycho.
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Old 11-29-2012, 12:53 AM   #3
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Too much holding for me. Bertos holding against Urango was ridiculous.
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Old 11-29-2012, 01:19 AM   #4
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Here clearly lost all 3 fights.
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Old 11-29-2012, 01:24 AM   #5
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Default Re: Andre Berto has been in three hardcore wars: Collazo, Ortiz, Guerrero

and those three fights tell you the story of Berto.

don't waste your time unless you enjoy seeing Berto get beat up in good fights.

i do
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Old 11-29-2012, 01:27 AM   #6
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Too much holding for me. Bertos holding against Urango was ridiculous.
That was Guerrero's fault.
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Old 11-29-2012, 02:13 AM   #7
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Default Re: Andre Berto has been in three hardcore wars: Collazo, Ortiz, Guerrero

Berto vs Maidana makes perfect sense now
Berto tko 8
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Old 11-29-2012, 02:18 AM   #8
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Here clearly lost all 3 fights.
it's beyond the point man. Those were truly great fight and he dug deep in each of em.
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Old 11-29-2012, 02:19 AM   #9
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Berto vs Maidana makes perfect sense now
Berto tko 8
Maidana TKO 5-6
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Here clearly lost all 3 fights.
Berto UD 7-5 Against Collazo
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Old 11-29-2012, 02:35 AM   #12
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Default Re: Andre Berto has been in three hardcore wars: Collazo, Ortiz, Guerrero

I don't think the three wars will have taken much, since he wasn't actually stopped in any of them, but by that same token, he's not going to beat any top fighters as things stand now. His flaws as a fighter are just too great, and he has shown no inclination to improve his craft at all to fix some of them. He clinches a lot more than he should, and does so in an ineffective manner that still allows his opponent to hit him. He tries to do the shoulder roll defense when he's not capable of it. He's always headhunting, never does body work. Doesn't put punches together much, thinking that his flashy single-shots will get the job done, and against lesser opposition they had. Not against Collazo, Ortiz, or Guerrero though, which tells the story there.
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Old 11-29-2012, 02:37 AM   #13
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Overall Berto is a mediocre fighter, on one hand he is blessed with great athletic talent but he is also cursed by one of shittiest trainers ever. Its sad that a guy that athletic who worked very hard and has vast amateur experience can't do anything.

Tony Morgan might be a nice guy and all but he obviously is way out of his league here.
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Old 11-29-2012, 02:38 AM   #14
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His confidence must be in all time low levels after getting thrashed by a 135lb underdog, he should fight some stiff before taking any serious matches again.
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Old 11-29-2012, 02:53 AM   #15
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I don't think the three wars will have taken much, since he wasn't actually stopped in any of them, but by that same token, he's not going to beat any top fighters as things stand now. His flaws as a fighter are just too great, and he has shown no inclination to improve his craft at all to fix some of them. He clinches a lot more than he should, and does so in an ineffective manner that still allows his opponent to hit him. He tries to do the shoulder roll defense when he's not capable of it. He's always headhunting, never does body work. Doesn't put punches together much, thinking that his flashy single-shots will get the job done, and against lesser opposition they had. Not against Collazo, Ortiz, or Guerrero though, which tells the story there.
Actually taking prolonged beatdowns is worse than getting stopped, had the Ref waived the fight off after the 2nd KD , When Berto was holding his eye, it physically would've been much better for him. Further more his biggest problems are his defense, infighting ability, ability to adapt and his footwork, that being said he definitely could use work with his offense. That being said lets not pretend his shots didn't do plenty of damage. Against Collazo he wore him down late (and he really did even if barely pull out the win) He had Ortiz down and hurt, and even the Ghost had one of his eyes shut and couldn't see in the last 2 rounds, the main reasons he lost (struggled against Collazo) are his defense and footwork.

BTW Had Zaveck Face held up, Berto would've been in another war and possibly stopped.
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