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Old 11-25-2012, 05:59 PM   #1
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Default if srr would have beaten maxim and stayed at light heavyweight?

how would you think he would have progressed during that era in that weight while holding the title also how much would that have added to his legacy?your thoughts gentlemen
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Old 11-25-2012, 06:10 PM   #2
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The answer is Archie Moore.
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Old 11-25-2012, 06:20 PM   #3
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Old 11-25-2012, 06:24 PM   #4
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Default Re: if srr would have beaten maxim and stayed at light heavyweight?

Robinson was too small to stay at light heavyweight.

Fighting Maxim was the best chance he had at winning a light heavyweight title and came up short.
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Old 11-25-2012, 06:29 PM   #5
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Robinson was too small to stay at light heavyweight.

Fighting Maxim was the best chance he had at winning a light heavyweight title and came up short.
but if he had beaten maxim how much do you think that would have added to srr legacy?
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Old 11-25-2012, 06:38 PM   #6
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Default Re: if srr would have beaten maxim and stayed at light heavyweight?

it would be a one-shot deal.

SRR would be defending the 160 title afterwards.
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Old 11-25-2012, 06:57 PM   #7
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but if he had beaten maxim how much do you think that would have added to srr legacy?

I don't think it'd add much. I'm personally astonished just as much as if he had officially won. He was winning by a big margin.
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Old 11-25-2012, 07:10 PM   #8
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Default Re: if srr would have beaten maxim and stayed at light heavyweight?

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The answer is Archie Moore.
Archie Moore was Maxim's next fight. Based on this we can assume that he'd been next for Robinson too.
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Old 11-25-2012, 07:14 PM   #9
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Robinson and Moore sat down to talk about a fight when Robinson came back from retirement. Moore wanted 50%, Robinson offered 30%, Moore asked his wife to get his coat and walked away
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Old 11-25-2012, 07:23 PM   #10
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Default Re: if srr would have beaten maxim and stayed at light heavyweight?

Moore / Charles grade fighters were too big for SRR.

They had equal skills, more power, and were bigger fighters.
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Old 11-25-2012, 07:42 PM   #11
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Ray would've fought Moore, and been knocked out in the ninth round.
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Old 11-26-2012, 01:31 PM   #12
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I agree hed have lost to Moore.Also to Harold Johnson,IMO underrated and better than Maxim.
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Old 11-26-2012, 11:51 PM   #13
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Default Re: if srr would have beaten maxim and stayed at light heavyweight?

Moore may have been Maxim's next opponent, but if I were managing Ray that in no way means he would have been Sugar Ray's next opponent had Robinson won that bout and the 175lb title. It reminds me abit of the Adolph Hitler, Herman Goering and Rudolph Hess succession dynamic, where in the late 30's Hitler makes Goering his deputy aka No.2, and dimwitted but loyal Rudolph Hess his No.3. Gorman naturally complains about having as 'his' deputy Hess, who he describes as a nincompoop, and Hitler laughs at him, telling Gorman that just because Hess is Hitler's No.3, it doesn't mean he has to be your No. 2. Hitler explains that if anything happens to him and Goering becomes the new Fuehrer, he can then dispense with his 'deputy' Hess and choose his own no.2, revealing the No. 3 position as illusiory.

By that longwinded anecdote, I mean to say that had Robinson won that night (and I don't understand the exclamations of some posters- Robinson lsot a bout he had in the bag, imagine if they'd fought in Chicago wintertime) he would have been matched with the bigger money fighters at 175lb. I think they'd be preferable bouts to Moore, namely 'white' 175lb's...who knows, mabye even a European tour. I think Archie would have been frozen out longer, a change in titleholder could have set him back to square one against Robinson in the rankings as Robinon's accomplishment was feted, and white 175lb's beleived they were in with a chance. I'm also not sure at all of the specifics (someone will know), but if Kearns has anything to say about it I'll bet he'd have kept Moore out for at least a couple of years. Most importantly, I'm not so sure how the public would have liked to see a Robinson-Moore 175lb bout irrespective of how much we would have today, so where would the pressure have come from?

I look forward to someone like Surf-bat or Stonehands who knowe a great deal more than i do sharing their thoughts on this topic...
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Old 11-27-2012, 06:52 AM   #14
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I doubt he would have fought Archie Moore.
Probably would have fought Maxim again, and then Danny Nardico , maybe a 7th fight with LaMotta, perhaps Bobo Olson. 3rd match with Turpin.

He'd be more likely to take on Marciano for the heavyweight championship than give Moore a shot at his new title, I would imagine.
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Old 11-27-2012, 10:36 AM   #15
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I read somewhere that if Robinson had won, that he was heading for a bout with Marciano, amazing if that were true.
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