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Old 02-05-2008, 10:21 AM   #16
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Tyson is not overrated. Top 10 ATG, abosolutely. Top 5 no, maybe head to head but not in terms of achievements.

Judah is not overrated, I don't see anyone talking about him as the best welter around, I dont see anyone including as the top 5 in the 147 pound division.
Since you wrote this every other thread...you just might be (are) wrong!!!

No way is Tyson top 10...15 yes! he was great, but your going overboard!!!!
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Old 02-05-2008, 10:23 AM   #17
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No way is Tyson top 10...15 yes! he was great, but your going overboard!!!!
Really? I used to have him at 11, i'll admit, but I just couldn't defend it...would love to see your 10.


I have him at 9.
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Old 02-05-2008, 10:29 AM   #18
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Foreman's just extremely easy to outbox, which hurts him in a H2H sense.
no he not.

Who in ur opinion outboxed Foreman during his prime (he was not in his prime vs Young btw). Even Ali could not avoid his punches, and Ali had an extremely tough chin so he survided, many others would not.
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Old 02-05-2008, 10:31 AM   #19
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he is. Name me one other fighter who could have beaten the 1973 Frazier as convincingly as Foreman did.
Stylistically speaking Liston and Lewis would've blasted Frazier out very early on too (certainly the '73 version). Tyson would have a great chance too providing he lands first.

Frazier certainly wasn't shot at that stage, but nonetheless had noticeably lost that extra edge post '71 which had made him ultra special. He was still a fine fighter of course but in any sense Foreman was a stylistic Mount Everest for him to climb.
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Old 02-05-2008, 10:44 AM   #20
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Peak for peak I'd favour Ali, Liston, Lewis, Holmes, Tyson and Johnson (slightly) all to beat Foreman.
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Old 02-05-2008, 10:48 AM   #21
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Since you wrote this every other thread...you just might be (are) wrong!!!

No way is Tyson top 10...15 yes! he was great, but your going overboard!!!!
What is your criteria for ranking fighters?

And based on that criteria what 10 fighters could you possibly have in front of Tyson?
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Old 02-05-2008, 10:54 AM   #22
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#7 is about right for Tyson overall.
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Old 02-05-2008, 10:56 AM   #23
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Peak for peak I'd favour Ali, Liston, Lewis, Holmes, Tyson and Johnson (slightly) all to beat Foreman.
I think the problem with Foreman is he looks a bit like he could be outpunched by a great puncher (like Lyle, but a great puncher) and outboxed by a great boxer (i struggle to imagine him beating a Holmes or a Lewis) and he can clearly be out-thought and out-generaled, as we saw in the case of Ali.

He's got good raw, but he looks awful, pushing, reaching. Wide punches, no plan B.

Dempsey ko4 Foreman.
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Old 02-05-2008, 10:56 AM   #24
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ricky hatton

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Old 02-05-2008, 10:58 AM   #25
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I do think that Foreman would beat Dempsey, though (and Marciano too). Both would be early-mid round stoppages. Just too big, powerful and strong for each of 'em.
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Old 02-05-2008, 11:05 AM   #26
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I think the problem with Foreman is he looks a bit like he could be outpunched by a great puncher (like Lyle, but a great puncher) and outboxed by a great boxer (i struggle to imagine him beating a Holmes or a Lewis) and he can clearly be out-thought and out-generaled, as we saw in the case of Ali.

Wide punches, no plan B.

I'm with you here.
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Old 02-05-2008, 11:36 AM   #27
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What is your criteria for ranking fighters?

And based on that criteria what 10 fighters could you possibly have in front of Tyson?
If you want to discuss top 10 ATG's start a thread...but i will give a top 15 just because!

1 Ali
2 Holmes
3 Louis
4 Marciano
5 Foreman
6 Dempsey
7 Frazier
8 lewis
9 Liston
10 Holyfield
11 johnson
12 Tyson
13 Bowe
14 jeffries
15 Patterson
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Old 02-05-2008, 11:37 AM   #28
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Foreman would smash Dempsey (who's the answer to this thread but that was topo obvious).

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Old 02-05-2008, 11:39 AM   #29
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Muhammad Ali

(Sorry, I know it's one of the "obvious answers")
How can he be one of the "obvious answers". He is rated by most knowledgeable critics as "the greatest". He fought everybody. He has got a great record. How can anybody say that he is overrated?

Yes, he was human.
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Old 02-05-2008, 11:43 AM   #30
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If you want to discuss top 10 ATG's start a thread...but i will give a top 15 just because!

1 Ali
2 Holmes
3 Louis
4 Marciano
5 Foreman
6 Dempsey
7 Frazier
8 lewis
9 Liston
10 Holyfield
11 johnson
12 Tyson
13 Bowe
14 jeffries
15 Patterson
obviously top 15 HW's correct?
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