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Old 05-17-2013, 04:13 AM   #1
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Default A prime and game Archie Moore vs the Ali (15-0) that gave more his last L (at 46).

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Old 05-17-2013, 08:07 AM   #2
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Default Re: A prime and game Archie Moore vs the Ali (15-0) that gave more his last L (at 46)

No one?

I like watching old Moore fights, his shoulder roll and dipping "Philly shell" type of defense. And knockout power tacking most of his opponents out within 6, 131 knockouts to his name.

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Old 05-17-2013, 08:40 AM   #3
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Default Re: A prime and game Archie Moore vs the Ali (15-0) that gave more his last L (at 46)

Ali is still too big and fast for any version of Archie. Counter punching doesn't work as well against speedsters
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Old 05-17-2013, 11:02 AM   #4
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Default Re: A prime and game Archie Moore vs the Ali (15-0) that gave more his last L (at 46)

I think Ali's speed and movement would have always given Moore significant problems.
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Old 05-17-2013, 11:11 AM   #5
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Default Re: A prime and game Archie Moore vs the Ali (15-0) that gave more his last L (at 46)

every version of cassius clay would beat every version of archie moore, end of the thread
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Old 05-17-2013, 11:59 AM   #6
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Default Re: A prime and game Archie Moore vs the Ali (15-0) that gave more his last L (at 46)

Yes. The young Cassius Clay would still have been too big,strong and fast for Archie.
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Old 05-17-2013, 12:07 PM   #7
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Old 05-17-2013, 01:30 PM   #8
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Im not having it, a much lighter and lighter fists of cooper troubled a young Clay, Moore knocks a 15-0 Ali out.
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Old 05-17-2013, 01:57 PM   #9
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Default Re: A prime and game Archie Moore vs the Ali (15-0) that gave more his last L (at 46)

In 10-29-1960, a 192 lb Casius Clay (Ali) pro debuted against Tunny Hunsucker and 190 lb Archie Moore fought Giulio Rinaldi (Moore losing 10 round decision).

What if Moore and Clay fought each other that night instead? How would the younger, still past prime, Moore done against the green, yet very speedy gold medalist?
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Old 05-17-2013, 02:26 PM   #10
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Clay doesn't hit the start of his prime imo until 62/63. If i was managing him outta the gate, i'd avoid Moore until Clay got a little pro experience first. That would obviously be the smart thing to do. But to answer your question i still think a rookie Clay would stand a good chance at beating Moore in 1960/61.
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Old 05-17-2013, 02:36 PM   #11
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Clay doesn't hit the start of his prime imo until 62/63. If i was managing him outta the gate, i'd avoid Moore until Clay got a little pro experience first. That would obviously be the smart thing to do. But to answer your question i still think a rookie Clay would stand a good chance at beating Moore in 1960/61.
Weirder matchups have happened. Patterson vs Rademacher comes to mind.
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True enough.
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im not having it, a much lighter and lighter fists of cooper troubled a young clay, moore knocks a 15-0 ali out.
cooper was naturally bigger and stronger than moore, and probably had a harder left hook h2h too
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Old 05-17-2013, 03:22 PM   #14
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What about the Ali from Norton 3 vs. a prime Archie Moore?
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Prime Moore was brilliant and could easily take advantage of the fundamental errors that the young, green Clay made. You may be able to get away with that stuff vs. the Tunney Hunsakers and Sonny Bankses of boxing. But not a prime killer like Archie Moore, the deadliest and most prolific finisher in boxing history.

Btw, Moore beat BIGGER and STRONGER guys than Clay, so I don't know why Clay's size and strength are coming up. Counter punching? I saw a washed-up Zora Folley effectively counter a prime Clay beautifully. So what can we expect a prime Moore to do to a green Clay?

I say Archie batters him to a painful defeat.
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