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Old 12-04-2012, 10:58 AM   #151
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Default Re: Wach tested positive for anabolic steroids after the Klitschko fight

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Amazing that they could grow so tall despite being on steroids for their entire puberty.
Doping was state policy in East Germany, right up until reunification. Underage kids were often given stuff with or without consent. This is fact. The reality is that even if the official doping program ended in the early 90's, a culture like that doesn't change overnight. Old bloc/soviet/communist countries have/had very differing viewpoints on PED use than North America or other countries. A system and culture such as that doesn't just dissolve into nothingness. Did/do the Klits use? Possible? Yes, and with decent probability. Proveable? Not without a failed test.
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Old 12-04-2012, 11:11 AM   #152
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Default Re: Wach tested positive for anabolic steroids after the Klitschko fight

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Doping was state policy in East Germany, right up until reunification. Underage kids were often given stuff with or without consent. This is fact. The reality is that even if the official doping program ended in the early 90's, a culture like that doesn't change overnight. Old bloc/soviet/communist countries have/had very differing viewpoints on PED use than North America or other countries. A system and culture such as that doesn't just dissolve into nothingness. Did/do the Klits use? Possible? Yes, and with decent probability. Proveable? Not without a failed test.

that's funny, you have Evan Fields in your avatar.
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Old 12-04-2012, 11:32 AM   #153
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that's funny, you have Evan Fields in your avatar.
And? PED use is not uncommon in the sport. It's more prevalent than folks are willing to admit to themselves. I don't personally care what methods a fighter uses to better prepare himself, especially when a lot are doing the same. PED use can allow you to have better use of your physical attributes, but don't replace talent, or hard work, dedication, technique, heart etc. They provide an advantage, one that benefits a part of the whole package, but does that mean you're ahead over 100% of the field? Not even close. It's a moot point to me personally. The misinformation and general denial and uneducated views on PEDs on the forum is quite understandable. To each their own.
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Old 12-04-2012, 01:18 PM   #154
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not sure who will fight wlad or vitali, or if vitali retires.... but it seems someone will fight around March, but nothing set at all... just talk at this point
I somehow 'hope' Vitali gets it on with Haye (which I would watch live) or Vitali retires and Povetkin mans up vs. Wlad (which I'd also go see live). Either of these two would be awesome for March
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