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Old 12-03-2012, 01:28 PM   #91
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wach was in pretty good shape compared to other fights for wlad..i just put it down to hard work..
Yeah, any slight improvement could have just been down to hard work.

Not saying he wasnt juicing,just that it didnt seem to do a lot for him!
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Old 12-03-2012, 01:31 PM   #92
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Seeing Briggs and Wach take these 12 round beatings makes me wonder if roids can indeed improve punch resistance.
No not at all. Tommy Morrison was a huge ROIDer and he still had the glassiest of chins. Andre Berto's chin was still the same too.

Steroids dont do anything for punch resistance except maybe make you psychologically believe you're a stronger person.
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Old 12-03-2012, 01:36 PM   #93
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All the best have used PEDs in last 40 years. There hasnt even been real testing until quite recently and it is still very easy to use and pass those tests. You get so much benefit of roiding that it would be almost stupid not to do it. Like this or not but unfortunately this is a fact.
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Old 12-03-2012, 01:39 PM   #94
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All the best have used PEDs in last 40 years. There hasnt even been real testing until quite recently and it is still very easy to use and pass those tests. You get so much benefit of roiding that it would be almost stupid not to do it. Like this or not but unfortunately this is a fact.
Im sure Toney, Wach, the british guy with the Nigerian name, and a good few others would disagree.

The amount of top level athletes we've seen being caught in recent years,shows that the authorities seem to be making strides on the cheats
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Old 12-03-2012, 01:40 PM   #95
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You have to train that part of the body to get results. Its not going to magically make your neck bigger.

Morrison also had a large neck but it didn't stop him from getting KTFO. Having a more muscular neck can help punch resistance, but not to the extent you think.

Vitali's neck isn't massive by any means yet he has a great chin. Frank Bruno is another guy who had a massive neck yet his chin was never that great.

There's no magic formula to building punch resistance
I agree with these points but I believe I would work my neck out if going against a bigger guy than I'm used to. And no it doesn't automatically mean he has better resistance, or is a magic formula, but I believe between the added neck and shoulder muscles, as well as the mental edge, that it would increase his punch resistance and help to counteract the late round KO percentage of the Klits.
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Old 12-03-2012, 01:42 PM   #96
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Yeah, any slight improvement could have just been down to hard work.

Not saying he wasnt juicing,just that it didnt seem to do a lot for him!
the guy even had a slight 6 pack instead of his 1 barrel he usuall had lol..

between juicers and robberys im slowly but surly giving up on this sport man..not happy
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Old 12-03-2012, 01:42 PM   #97
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Serious PEDs didn't become prevalent until the 80s and 90s

Testing is getting better but still one step behind ... you'd have to be a complete retard to get caught these days ...
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Old 12-03-2012, 01:45 PM   #98
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Im sure Toney, Wach, the british guy with the Nigerian name, and a good few others would disagree.

The amount of top level athletes we've seen being caught in recent years,shows that the authorities seem to be making strides on the cheats
Ok lets say it is not VERY EASY but it is not so difficult either. Much easier in professional boxing than track and field or some other sports anyway.
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Old 12-03-2012, 02:01 PM   #99
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They increase strength, so of course.
They increase strength? Briggs right arm tore in half in round 2. Steroids dont do shit for you except break you down. They certainly dont help your chin.
Andre Berto and Tommy Morrison both were full of Steroids and Morrison was KO'd 3 times,Berto was dropped in consecutive fights.
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Old 12-03-2012, 02:03 PM   #100
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Ok then, all the elite top level fighters are clean & its only the guys they beat who are using PEDs.

Cause thats what I said, totally. You are using logical fallacies to argue and it is just making you look less intelligent. Keep fighting the good fight, loser.
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Old 12-03-2012, 02:25 PM   #101
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They increase strength? Briggs right arm tore in half in round 2. Steroids dont do shit for you except break you down. They certainly dont help your chin.
Andre Berto and Tommy Morrison both were full of Steroids and Morrison was KO'd 3 times,Berto was dropped in consecutive fights.
Steroids increase protein synthesis, which aids muscular recovery after training. You train, your muscle breaks down, you eat and rest, it repairs itself and becomes stronger and bigger (if training for hypertrophy and eating enough cals). Steroids enhance and accelerate the process just mentioned. They definitely aid in strength increases you coud never have naturally. The "breaking down" you mention is from the fact that most anabolics decrease collagen synthesis, which mostly has an effect on tendons. Strong muscles combined with weaker tendons equals a greater chance of injury. This only generally happens when someone has used long term, or has drastically increased their strength levels in a short time frame. Of course, there are ways to avoid that while using PEDs, through hormones which negate or reduce that effect, or by not using PEDs, or by training appropriately (sport specific). Roids, as you mentioned, do NOT help your chin in the slightest. They will give a physchological advantage and boost confidence, but glass is glass, and low punch resistance can only be refined to a degree.
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Old 12-03-2012, 02:25 PM   #102
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Anabolic steroids won't do anything to help out your "chin"

They increase your muscle building capacity ... which doesn't have much to do with how well you can take a punch. You think that steroids helped Tommy Morrison's chin?

Wlad might be taking PEDs, who knows?


Shutup fruitcake course it does

Wach had a needle inserted right into his jaw
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Old 12-03-2012, 02:52 PM   #103
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we also made Wach change gloves to the second pair... the first pair was missing padding. The BDB has the gloves and will deal with it

now positive for roids..... Cheaters all the way around
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Old 12-03-2012, 02:59 PM   #104
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He can afford the best PEDs & the best medical/scientific assistance

Look at all the guys who have been caught, its the B level contender types who don't have the finances to get the best & beat the test.

Wlad is one of the most obvious users in boxing
STFU. never ever tested pos for ANYTHING. Wlads is NOTHING but right diet and hard work.

you have no proof, you have no clue... you just spew bullshit... so STFU
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Old 12-03-2012, 02:59 PM   #105
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STFU. never ever tested pos for ANYTHING. Wlads is NOTHING but right diet and hard work.

you have no proof, you have no clue... you just spew bullshit... so STFU
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