If Carl Froch had more exposure earlier in his career

HeavyT · 12-03-2012, 10:59 PM

...would he have taken on such a long line of tough opponents?

HeavyT · 12-03-2012, 11:02 PM

If he had signed with ****** etc. would he have been at more risks? I can't help but feel that he needed to do things the hard way as he didn't have a start like a Hatton, a Clazaghe etc.
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atberry · 12-03-2012, 11:17 PM

He was live on BBC1 for the first half of his career.

IntentionalButt · 12-03-2012, 11:17 PM

He is who he is, so yes.

Earl-hickey · 12-03-2012, 11:45 PM

He's not the sorts of bloke to put up with that shit

|A|C|S| · 12-04-2012, 12:00 AM

the tough line up helped him he was matched hard with the super 6 that as soon as he fought someone not so tough (Bute) he destroyed him

Earl-hickey · 12-04-2012, 12:12 AM

being matched tough helped Froch.

He won his title in the war with pascal.

that experiance helped him pull through against taylor

then onto the super 6 and crushed bute

fighting bums dont help you for shit

lirva · 12-04-2012, 01:11 AM

someone upload the bbc cobra promo from early in his career to youtube

benashley · 12-04-2012, 07:29 AM

He did have a fair bit of exposure on terrestrial TV in his earlier years, it was probably more to do with the fact when he started to step up towards World Level Calzaghe was having his career defining fights.

achillesthegreat · 12-04-2012, 10:03 AM

Yes. Carls fought the absolute best fighters at every level hes operated on. Even when he reached the P4P heights vs Ward and lost he came back to fight Bute who people may forget pre Froch was undefeated and often looking like a monster. He was easily the number 2 in the division.

Carls only joke fight was Mack. That was clearly an opponent designed to get another win under your belt, get everyone paid and keep the gravy train going.

Vyborg1917 · 12-04-2012, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by HeavyT

If he had signed with ****** etc. would he have been at more risks? I can't help but feel that he needed to do things the hard way as he didn't have a start like a Hatton, a Clazaghe etc.
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I agree with this. Being signed with a sheet promoter didn't do him any favours in terms of popularity and matchmaking, but it did set him on the path to general hardcoreness.

Beeston Brawler · 12-04-2012, 12:01 PM

I'm not convinced either way really, I can see both sides of the argument.

If he'd signed with Allegedly he'd have been more active, perhaps earned more (up to 2008-ish at least) but wouldn't have become the best British boxer of his era, or a globally respected fighter.

Look at the 2007 threads in the General, lots of them laying into him, saying he'll lose by KO to all and sundry.... yet he's now more respected than any British fighter since Lewis by the American fans.

Not sure being with Allegedly, and constantly playing second fiddle to whoever - be it Calzaghe, Hatton, Khan.... would have made him who he is.

There's lots of similarities between him and Hagler in terms of their mental makeup and motivations for doing what they do. Both want to be somebody, both hate losing, and both have that paranoid streak running through them.

JFT96 · 12-04-2012, 12:13 PM

Good question. I'd like to think not but it seems to me the highest profile prospects we have are always looking for a shortcut route to the top which doesn't help them when they get there really as they don't have the experience of fighting tough opposition. Fortunately, Froch had that grounding at domestic level and it's certainly helped him develop into the World Class fighter he is today.

Can't really tell what would have happened but I'd like to see more of our fighters take on board Carl's path to the top and look to emulate him

TBooze · 12-04-2012, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by atberry

He was live on BBC1 for the first half of his career.

Beat me too it. Froch got a good start to his career. He made his debut on the same bill Ryan Rhodes looked finished on.

Michael300 · 12-04-2012, 12:41 PM

I don't think Carl has ever had an issue with exposure as such, as some have already mentioned the majority of his career has actually been on terrestrial televison and he has been seen by the more casual viewer.

The thing that has effected Carl has been a lack of high profile fights; Collins, Benn, Eubank, Calzaghe etc have all had big fights that have captured the publics interest, I don't think Froch has had such fights until quite recently.

I don't see this as a negative though.

Carl is such a consummate professional that despite have some hard fights he is well preserved and as such has extended his career at a high level to an older age than many other British World Champions in recent years.

It is very much his time now; and what has happened is that his attitude and willingness to travel have given him his own place in boxing history.

General opinion is that he is not as good as Calzaghe, he is not as explosive as Benn and he doesn't have the character of Eubank; but what he does have is a reputation for living the life, and fighting the best in their own backyard.

He has very much carved out his own unique place in British boxing history and I think the way his career played out at the start has a large part to play in how it is going now.

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achillesthegreat FORTUNE FAVOURS THE BRAVE East Side VIP Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 18,193 vCash: 1000	Re: If Carl Froch had more exposure earlier in his career Yes. Carls fought the absolute best fighters at every level hes operated on. Even when he reached the P4P heights vs Ward and lost he came back to fight Bute who people may forget pre Froch was undefeated and often looking like a monster. He was easily the number 2 in the division. Carls only joke fight was Mack. That was clearly an opponent designed to get another win under your belt, get everyone paid and keep the gravy train going.
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Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly East Side VIP Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: trying to increase my overdraft.... Posts: 35,226 vCash: 75	Re: If Carl Froch had more exposure earlier in his career I'm not convinced either way really, I can see both sides of the argument. If he'd signed with Allegedly he'd have been more active, perhaps earned more (up to 2008-ish at least) but wouldn't have become the best British boxer of his era, or a globally respected fighter. Look at the 2007 threads in the General, lots of them laying into him, saying he'll lose by KO to all and sundry.... yet he's now more respected than any British fighter since Lewis by the American fans. Not sure being with Allegedly, and constantly playing second fiddle to whoever - be it Calzaghe, Hatton, Khan.... would have made him who he is. There's lots of similarities between him and Hagler in terms of their mental makeup and motivations for doing what they do. Both want to be somebody, both hate losing, and both have that paranoid streak running through them.
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JFT96 Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 6,664 vCash: 75	Re: If Carl Froch had more exposure earlier in his career Good question. I'd like to think not but it seems to me the highest profile prospects we have are always looking for a shortcut route to the top which doesn't help them when they get there really as they don't have the experience of fighting tough opposition. Fortunately, Froch had that grounding at domestic level and it's certainly helped him develop into the World Class fighter he is today. Can't really tell what would have happened but I'd like to see more of our fighters take on board Carl's path to the top and look to emulate him
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Michael300 Fighting back..... ESB Addict Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Up and about Posts: 1,684 vCash: 500	Re: If Carl Froch had more exposure earlier in his career I don't think Carl has ever had an issue with exposure as such, as some have already mentioned the majority of his career has actually been on terrestrial televison and he has been seen by the more casual viewer. The thing that has effected Carl has been a lack of high profile fights; Collins, Benn, Eubank, Calzaghe etc have all had big fights that have captured the publics interest, I don't think Froch has had such fights until quite recently. I don't see this as a negative though. Carl is such a consummate professional that despite have some hard fights he is well preserved and as such has extended his career at a high level to an older age than many other British World Champions in recent years. It is very much his time now; and what has happened is that his attitude and willingness to travel have given him his own place in boxing history. General opinion is that he is not as good as Calzaghe, he is not as explosive as Benn and he doesn't have the character of Eubank; but what he does have is a reputation for living the life, and fighting the best in their own backyard. He has very much carved out his own unique place in British boxing history and I think the way his career played out at the start has a large part to play in how it is going now.
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