Who's more over-hyped: Roach or Ariza?

Cableaddict · 12-09-2012, 10:03 AM

I do believe that neither emperor has much clothing left.

I'm sure some will rush to defend Roach, citng his long history & blah blah blah, but I'm not buying it. Do any of his fighters have good defense?

Ariza should be driving a bus. Pac finally did away with his advice, and looked the best he's looked in years. Lean, fast, & flexible.

Jappa · 12-09-2012, 10:06 AM

Ariza.

To be honest every gym has a golden age where the fighters are always winning and it seems untouchable.

sp550i · 12-09-2012, 10:09 AM

tie

elchivito · 12-09-2012, 10:18 AM

No I don't they're overrated simply credit must be given to Marquez and Garcia, the fighters who exposed the flaws of Pacman and Khan, 2 of boxing's best offensive machines. Believe it or not Roach's fighters do display some defense, especially Pacman, it's just that basically their footwork IS their defense since they are so fast. They used their fast footwork to move away or move laterally to counter with angles. Khan did the mistake of standing in front of Garcia to trade and Manny looked faster than ever countering Jmm, but both decided to lead and got figured out. Pacman a much more daunting task of course.

pngo · 12-09-2012, 10:26 AM

Thank god this was Pacquiao's best training camp yet, or else he wouldn've been KTFO...umm

frankwornank · 12-09-2012, 10:34 AM

Roach is as good a trainer now as he ever was but his fighter is not the fighter he was. Trainers are often given too much credit, I have always held that it is the fighter that is 99.9% of the equasion. Pacq is on the downslide and that is the reason he got beat. As far as Roach goes, when Paq was at his best, any one of many trainers would have done just as good a job as he did. Like is say, "the fighter is 99.9% of the reason he wins or looses", not the trainer.

Boxed Ears · 12-09-2012, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Cableaddict

I do believe that neither emperor has much clothing left.

I'm sure some will rush to defend Roach, citng his long history & blah blah blah, but I'm not buying it. Do any of his fighters have good defense?

Ariza should be driving a bus. Pac finally did away with his advice, and looked the best he's looked in years. Lean, fast, & flexible.

http://prommanow.com/wp-content/uplo...yEast_crop.jpg

http://blog.chron.com/fighting/files...%20hopkins.jpg

Jaguar · 12-09-2012, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Boxed Ears

http://prommanow.com/wp-content/uplo...yEast_crop.jpg

http://blog.chron.com/fighting/files...%20hopkins.jpg

Those guys were complete, and successful before they came to Roach.

Boxed Ears · 12-09-2012, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Jaguar

Those guys were complete, and successful before they came to Roach.

Aye, and then they said "I want a shitty coach because I'm a fucking idiot."

They DKSAB.

oibighead · 12-09-2012, 10:46 AM

Roach has proven he is a great trainer.

Recently, Amir was always a knockout waiting to happen and had been flattened before he came to Roach, Roach took Pac though one of the greatest career runs in history.

Ya'll idiots

12-09-2012, 10:03 AM	#1
Cableaddict Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 6,413 vCash: 718	Who's more over-hyped: Roach or Ariza? I do believe that neither emperor has much clothing left. I'm sure some will rush to defend Roach, citng his long history & blah blah blah, but I'm not buying it. Do any of his fighters have good defense? Ariza should be driving a bus. Pac finally did away with his advice, and looked the best he's looked in years. Lean, fast, & flexible.
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12-09-2012, 10:06 AM	#2
Jappa Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 510 vCash: 500	Re: Who's more over-hyped: Roach or Ariza? Ariza. To be honest every gym has a golden age where the fighters are always winning and it seems untouchable.
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sp550i Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 1,440 vCash: 500	Re: Who's more over-hyped: Roach or Ariza? tie
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elchivito master betty East Side VIP Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: section 8 Posts: 13,614 vCash: 130	Re: Who's more over-hyped: Roach or Ariza? No I don't they're overrated simply credit must be given to Marquez and Garcia, the fighters who exposed the flaws of Pacman and Khan, 2 of boxing's best offensive machines. Believe it or not Roach's fighters do display some defense, especially Pacman, it's just that basically their footwork IS their defense since they are so fast. They used their fast footwork to move away or move laterally to counter with angles. Khan did the mistake of standing in front of Garcia to trade and Manny looked faster than ever countering Jmm, but both decided to lead and got figured out. Pacman a much more daunting task of course.
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pngo #1Contender ESB Addict Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 3,882 vCash: 600	Re: Who's more over-hyped: Roach or Ariza? Thank god this was Pacquiao's best training camp yet, or else he wouldn've been KTFO...umm
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12-09-2012, 10:34 AM	#6
frankwornank Journeyman ESB Jr Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 257 vCash: 1000	Re: Who's more over-hyped: Roach or Ariza? Roach is as good a trainer now as he ever was but his fighter is not the fighter he was. Trainers are often given too much credit, I have always held that it is the fighter that is 99.9% of the equasion. Pacq is on the downslide and that is the reason he got beat. As far as Roach goes, when Paq was at his best, any one of many trainers would have done just as good a job as he did. Like is say, "the fighter is 99.9% of the reason he wins or looses", not the trainer.
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oibighead G.O.A.T. East Side Guru Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: London Posts: 7,135 vCash: 75	Re: Who's more over-hyped: Roach or Ariza? Roach has proven he is a great trainer. Recently, Amir was always a knockout waiting to happen and had been flattened before he came to Roach, Roach took Pac though one of the greatest career runs in history. Ya'll idiots
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