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Old 12-07-2012, 07:12 AM   #151
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Yes, HBO and Roy both expressed their frustration with the lack of quality fighters stepping up to the plate.
Do you have a source saying that these guys:


Nunn
Benn
Eubank
Collins
Barkley
Cordoba
Littles
Van Horn
Liles
Nardiello
Close
Rocchigianni
Nicotra


didn't want to 'step up to the plate' as you call it? Or are you talking out of your ass?
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Old 12-07-2012, 07:14 AM   #152
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Griffin, Hill, Reggie Johnson, Gonzales, Harding, Tarver, Woods, Ruiz??

What have you got to say about the above names? We know he fought Frazier and Kelly too and a few bums, that's fair enough.

But you've made yourself look stupid with your comment.

How are the names above, that were after Toney, Appalling??

Explain it to me.

Also in the middle of all those fights, Jacobs was trying to secure him the DM fight, and they were negotiating with Hop for a rematch. After Ruiz, Murad Muhammad tried to get him Tyson and Lewis.

Type into google, Murad Muhammad F-Hype interviews.

Of course while all of this was taking place, DM was fighting Jack Johnson, Ezzard Charles and Rocky Marciano right?
If you read what I replied to it would have been clear to you that we where talking about SMW's so your post is therefore an automatic fail.
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Old 12-07-2012, 07:15 AM   #153
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Do you have a source saying that these guys:


Nunn
Benn
Eubank
Collins
Barkley
Cordoba
Littles
Van Horn
Liles
Nardiello
Close
Rocchigianni
Nicotra


didn't want to 'step up to the plate' as you call it? Or are you talking out of your ass?
Nunn, Benn, Eubank, Collins, Barkley, Cordoba, Littles, Van Horn, Liles, Nardiello, Close, Rocchigianni and Nicotra didn't want to step up to the plate.
Jajajajajajajajajajaja.
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Old 12-07-2012, 07:43 AM   #154
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He had 6 fights at 168 after beating Toney. Of those fights he beat an unranked Thornton, a suspected juiced lightweight in Pazienza, a past it Byrd, a never was in Sosa, a young non-threat in Lucas and a veteran of 16 fights in Brannon.
That's right. That's all he did after Toney, BECAUSE he couldn't unify the division!


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So the deserving fighters Jones didn't fight is these guys:

Nunn
Benn
Eubank
Collins
Barkley
Cordoba
Littles
Van Horn
Liles
Nardiello
Close
Rocchigianni
Nicotra
You're just throwing names around. If you're going to list all of these guys, then back it up with something.

Go and look at who these guys were fighting from 1994-1996 and tell me how and why they deserved a shot at Roy.

You haven't got a clue!

How could he fight Eubank?

How many times do you need to be told about Benn and Liles? They were King fighters, and he wanted options. That's why he ended up moving to 175. There was no point in him hanging around, after he'd embarrassed Toney, and couldn't fight the other champs.

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Bottom line is that Roy didn't fight the above mentioned guys. I don't know who's to blame for those fights not happening, but Roy's resumé suffers because of it.
What do you mean you don't know who's to blame? You've been blaming Roy in every one of your posts!

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I do know that Roy preferred Pazienza instead of Nunn so that might be the pattern: Fight as easy an opponent as possible for the most money. **** legacy.
Apart from Nunn's fights against Littles and Scully, he was fighting between 175-195 pounds while Roy was at 168!

**** legacy? What did he do after he left 168? He cleaned out the 175 division apart from DM, then went to heavy, and then came BACK and made HISTORY!

He started his career at 154, and ended up beating a HEAVYWEIGHT! List me all the names of the other fighters that have done the same.

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So Eubank didn't want Jones? I don't know the specifics, but we know for a fact that Jones didn't lure him into the ring.
NO he didn't want Roy. Lure him into the ring? Do some research, and look at some of the guys that Eubank fought.

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Those names where all top ranked contenders by Ring Magazine at the time Jones was in the division and where all qualified which is more than you can say of the fighters Jones DID fight at 168 which was downright horrible (see above).
That's fair enough, but the magazine didn't allow for circumstances. If Roy had have stayed at 168 and missed all of those guys you've listed, your post would be justified. But he beat the best fighter at the weight, tried to negotiate with King, and then he moved up.

Go and pull the resume up of every single one of the fighters that you've mentioned, and we'll do a comparison.

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Old 12-07-2012, 07:52 AM   #155
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We have already discussed this at lenght.

You claim that the RJJ-DM fight didn't happen because DM didn't want to.

I say both camps are to blame.

You will not move an inch on your stance regardless of sources provided, so let's just let it go.
I think I have provided sufficient evidence that DM didn't want it.

All you have to do to see this, is do 4 things.

1. Read the links properly from post 78, that contain dates, times, the people involved etc, from FOUR different articles.

2. Watch the video I posted.

3. Go and analyse DM's resume, and look at who he fought, and where and when.

4. Just be honest with yourself.

It's as clear as day that DM didn't really want to fight Roy.

Roy DIDN'T want to go to Germany.

But he wanted the fight in America.

If he didn't, then why would he have paid Brad Jacobs to go and meet with HBO, to then try and negotiate a deal with Peter Kohl??

Why are you trying to argue against the facts?
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Do you have a source saying that these guys:


Nunn
Benn
Eubank
Collins
Barkley
Cordoba
Littles
Van Horn
Liles
Nardiello
Close
Rocchigianni
Nicotra


didn't want to 'step up to the plate' as you call it? Or are you talking out of your ass?
Cordoba?

Victor Cordoba?

While Roy was at 168, Victor only had TWO FIGHTS!

Ha!

One was against Tim Hillie.

The other was against Leonardo Aguilar at 175 pounds!

So while Roy was at 168, Cordoba had just the one fight against Hillie.

But Roy ducked him right??

Ha!

Now do you really want me to go through the rest of your list?
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Old 12-07-2012, 08:05 AM   #157
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That's right. That's all he did after Toney, BECAUSE he couldn't unify the division!




You're just throwing names around. If you're going to list all of these guys, then back it up with something.
As I already said multiple times it is ranked fighters by Ring Magazine.
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Go and look at who these guys were fighting from 1994-1996 and tell me how and why they deserved a shot at Roy.
They where more qualified than the ones Jones DID fight don't you agree?

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You haven't got a clue!

How could he fight Eubank?

How many times do you need to be told about Benn and Liles? They were King fighters, and he wanted options.
Bottom line (again): Jones did not fight them. That's just what I've been saying all along. No need to get riled up.

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That's why he ended up moving to 175. There was no point in him hanging around, after he'd embarrassed Toney, and couldn't fight the other champs.
Hmmmm....... He did have 6 fights at 168 after Toney didn't he? Do you think that was some stand-out opposition?

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What do you mean you don't know who's to blame? You've been blaming Roy in every one of your posts!
No I have not.

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Apart from Nunn's fights against Littles and Scully, he was fighting between 175-195 pounds while Roy was at 168!
Nunn was the no.1 contender for quite some time while Jones was champ.

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**** legacy? What did he do after he left 168? He cleaned out the 175 division apart from DM, then went to heavy, and then came BACK and made HISTORY!

Dude I was talking about 168. You are way off target.


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He started his career at 154, and ended up beating a HEAVYWEIGHT! List me all the names of the other fighters that have done the same.
Why would I wanna do that? Calm down. You might get a heart attack.


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NO he didn't want Roy. Lure him into the ring? Do some research, and look at some of the guys that Eubank fought.
I'm well aware of Eubanks career. Jones is not on his record.

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That's fair enough, but magazine didn't allow for circumstances. If Roy had have stayed at 168 and missed all of those guys you've listed, your post would be justified. But he beat the best fighter at the weight, tried to negotiate with King, and then he moved up.
He had 6 fights at 168 after Toney and the opposition consisted of a bunch of janitors and deliverymen. That's what I am saying.
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Cordoba?

Victor Cordoba?

While Roy was at 168, Victor only had TWO FIGHTS!

Ha!

One was against Tim Hillie.

The other was against Leonardo Aguilar at 175 pounds!

So while Roy was at 168, Cordoba had just the one fight against Hillie.

But Roy ducked him right??

Ha!

Now do you really want me to go through the rest of your list?
I never said ducked. I said Jones chose some appauling opposition.
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Bat,

let's look at Nardiello.

While Roy was at 168, he fought,

Frederic Seillier
Massimilano Bocchini - not at 168.
Nigel Benn
Jose Vargas - not at 168
Rolando Torres - not at 168
Henry Wharton
Noberto Bueno
Malinga
Robin Reid

But Roy fighting on HBO in America, ducked him right?

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Do you have a source saying that these guys:


Nunn
Benn
Eubank
Collins
Barkley
Cordoba
Littles
Van Horn
Liles
Nardiello
Close
Rocchigianni
Nicotra


didn't want to 'step up to the plate' as you call it? Or are you talking out of your ass?
Van Horn?
Nicotra?
Close?

Ha! Come on man!
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Bat,

let's look at Nardiello.

While Roy was at 168, he fought,

Frederic Seillier
Massimilano Bocchini - not at 168.
Nigel Benn
Jose Vargas - not at 168
Rolando Torres - not at 168
Henry Wharton
Noberto Bueno
Malinga
Robin Reid

But Roy fighting on HBO in America ducked him right?
I never said ducked don't you get it? That list consist of ranked fighters that Jones did not fight!
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Van Horn?
Nicotra?
Close?

Ha! Come on man!
So Pazienza is better?
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Old 12-07-2012, 08:15 AM   #163
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Nardiello was hilarious, proper cheating Italian but in a funny way. Used to throw his toys out of the pram when things werent going his way, im sure he started on Benn's dad after losing that one ?

Here he is, crying again....


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Jones wouldve battered him but it would have been funny in some way.
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Nardiello was hilarious, proper cheating Italian but in a funny way. Used to throw his toys out of the pram when things werent going his way, im sure he started on Benn's dad after losing that one ?

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Jones wouldve battered him but it would have been funny in some way.
You may not know, but Nardiello was a victim of Park Si Hun in the Seoul olympics. That robbery happened in the semis and was arguably even more pathetic than Park Si Hun's "win" over Jones.
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You may not know, but Nardiello was a victim of Park Si Hun in the Seoul olympics. That robbery happened in the semis and was arguably even more pathetic than Park Si Hun's "win" over Jones.


Didnt know that actually, good bit of info. I liked Nardiello even though he was a cheating windbag, always entertaining even if for the wrong reasons.
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