Discuss fighters Jones Jr ducked in his prime

[Loudon]

Originally Posted by dinovelvet

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He just debunked Roy ducking him.

Hi mate,

Yeah I read that yesterday. Maybe now, people will stop claiming how Roy ducked him.

Have you read any of those links yet?

[Loudon]

Originally Posted by moneypaysbills

I'm not claiming Bute's power is greater than any of those fighters and I say nothing of the sort in my post. I was remarking that Bute has good power which is true.

I agree Froch is all wrong for Bute and will beat him 99 times out of 100. Of course now he's lost his title and been destroyed by Froch Ward will never want to fight him now. But when Bute was at the top Ward didn't want any part of him and that's sad choosing to give shots to 168 Zombie Glass Jawson and Pavlik.

I think what you've said is right and outside of a puncher's chance Froch and Kessler don't really have a chance against Ward.

I think Bute would be a more interesting match up against Ward than Froch or Kessler (definitely the double-vision suffering version Ward fought first time) but ultimately we'll never see the fight happen and instead we'll be treated to the tripe that was Ward-Dawson

Hi mate,

hows things?

Did you see Groves on Saturday? I haven't seen it yet. Was he any good?

[dinovelvet]

Originally Posted by moneypaysbills

I'm not claiming Bute's power is greater than any of those fighters and I say nothing of the sort in my post. I was remarking that Bute has good power which is true.

I agree Froch is all wrong for Bute and will beat him 99 times out of 100. Of course now he's lost his title and been destroyed by Froch Ward will never want to fight him now. But when Bute was at the top Ward didn't want any part of him and that's sad choosing to give shots to 168 Zombie Glass Jawson and Pavlik.

I think what you've said is right and outside of a puncher's chance Froch and Kessler don't really have a chance against Ward.

I think Bute would be a more interesting match up against Ward than Froch or Kessler (definitely the double-vision suffering version Ward fought first time) but ultimately we'll never see the fight happen and instead we'll be treated to the tripe that was Ward-Dawson

You implied beacuse Bute had good power and because Ward was dropped by Boone, that Ward would more likey be knocked out by Bute. You dont know who the fuck Boone is apart from the Ward fight.
You show all the signs of somebody who started following boxing in April of this year or else you are to stupid to realize that everything to accuse Ward of , Joe is gulity of the same if not worse.
Provide evidence of the negotiations between Ward and Bute and the point when Ward pulled out? You wont find it because it never happened. Spread your hate and bullshit somewhere else clown.

[pecho26]

Originally Posted by Loudon

Wow! Thanks for the info Pecho. I don't know anything about the guy, my post was only intended to wind Bailey up.

He doesn't sound like a very nice guy, but I wouldn't wish those injuries on anyone.

That was really interesting to read. Many thanks!


Loudon.

No problem.I come and see some threads and i saw you mention him,so i had to say something about that asshole.

[moneypaysbills]

Originally Posted by Loudon

Hi mate,

hows things?

Did you see Groves on Saturday? I haven't seen it yet. Was he any good?

Alright?

All good right now, Christmas coming up which is always good.

I didn't manage to catch the fight live but I've seen it now.

They both landed a good amount of punches and obviously Johnson never being a hard hitter, being better at LHW and being 43 meant that this took more toll on Johnson being dropped in the final round and looked hurt by the end of the sixth. But credit to Johnson's iron chin he absorbed the punishment and was on his feet and not hurt when the match ended.

However, Groves wasn't that hard to hit for Johnson and if Groves is looking to step in with some big hitters he's going to have to adjust his style to become a little harder to hit as even the iron chinned Johnson showed you can get knocked down if you take enough shots.

How are things looking at your end mate?

[moneypaysbills]

Originally Posted by dinovelvet

You implied beacuse Bute had good power and because Ward was dropped by Boone, that Ward would more likey be knocked out by Bute. You dont know who the fuck Boone is apart from the Ward fight.
You show all the signs of somebody who started following boxing in April of this year or else you are to stupid to realize that everything to accuse Ward of , Joe is gulity of the same if not worse.
Provide evidence of the negotiations between Ward and Bute and the point when Ward pulled out? You wont find it because it never happened. Spread your hate and bullshit somewhere else clown.

Listen up you moron you are reading into the post wrong but as an alt you clearly are just here to troll anyway.

I implied that Bute had enough power to trouble Ward because he was knocked down by a nobody. You're knowledge is so poor you probably barely know who Bute is so I'd pipe down if I were you.

I never mentioned Joe in my last post but it's fantastic to see you bring him up. Highlights your biased agenda quite nicely. It's funny I don't remember Joe saying Kessler had to go fight Lacy before he could fight Joe or did I miss that?



I never said that Ward pulled out of a fight with Bute and that clearly highlights how reactionary and foolish you are, never even reading what i said. However, everyone knows that Ward wasn't willing to hand a fellow world titlist a chance for unification bout.

Please retire from these forums and proceed to haul yourself off the nearest cliff.

[dinovelvet]

Originally Posted by moneypaysbills

Listen up you moron you are reading into the post wrong but as an alt you clearly are just here to troll anyway.

I implied that Bute had enough power to trouble Ward because he was knocked down by a nobody. You're knowledge is so poor you probably barely know who Bute is so I'd pipe down if I were you.

I never mentioned Joe in my last post but it's fantastic to see you bring him up. Highlights your biased agenda quite nicely. It's funny I don't remember Joe saying Kessler had to go fight Lacy before he could fight Joe or did I miss that?



I never said that Ward pulled out of a fight with Bute and that clearly highlights how reactionary and foolish you are, never even reading what i said. However, everyone knows that Ward wasn't willing to hand a fellow world titlist a chance for unification bout.

Please retire from these forums and proceed to haul yourself off the nearest cliff.

Boone knocked out the IBF no.1. A fighter Froch wants no part of. You look like an idiot everytime you post.
Everything you accuse Ward of , Joe is gulity of the same. You just dont understand that do you?

[knockout artist]

Ward had every opportunity to face Bute after the Super 6, and wanted no part of him. That's as clear as day.

Hey dino, is it just purely coincidence that kitikasem and popkins other alts got banned a while back, just before you showed up on here?

[dinovelvet]

Originally Posted by knockout artist

Ward had every opportunity to face Bute after the Super 6, and wanted no part of him. That's as clear as day.

Hey dino, is it just purely coincidence that kitikasem and popkins other alts got banned a while back, just before you showed up on here?

Provide the proof of that? Are you aware Ward was out of action when Bute signed a 2 fight deal with Froch. If Bute wanted Ward he wouldn't of tied himself up with a contract to fight Froch twice. Bute was fighting nobody's all his career and saw Froch as an easly win after he was destroyed by Ward.
Who do you think Bute is going to want to fight?

[knockout artist]

Originally Posted by dinovelvet

Provide the proof of that? Are you aware Ward was out of action when Bute signed a 2 fight deal with Froch. If Bute wanted Ward he wouldn't of tied himself up with a contract to fight Froch twice. Bute was fighting nobody's all his career and saw Froch as an easly win after he was destroyed by Ward.
Who do you think Bute is going to want to fight?

Here we go:

After immediately saying following his Super Six win in December that he wanted to take a break, Ward now seems shocked that Bute went ahead and signed a deal with Froch, the next-best option for him:

"I was disappointed," Ward said. "Bute and his promoter were screaming and yelling that I was ducking them, then they go and make a two-fight deal with Froch where if he loses, he takes Froch back to Canada? I didn't understand that. I was never ducking him, I just wanted to build up the fight. I was coming off two years of grueling fights and I felt he needed to fight someone. But ducking him? Come on. He wants belts, I have three belts over here if he wants to fight for a belt."

What a bizarre statement this is. Ward previously claimed that Bute needed to fight top competition, so with Ward not showing any legitimate desire for a fight, Bute went with Froch. I fail to see any problem there. As for "building up the fight," that's a load, plain and simple. That fight is as built as it's going to get. Andre Ward's not exactly packing in the fans for his fights or drawing a load of interest from the general public, and frankly he probably never will. He's not interesting enough, in or out of the ring. Maybe he's the next Bernard Hopkins, but B-Hop was never an A-side draw either. Still isn't, even though he's unquestionably headed to the Hall of Fame.

Ward makes no mention of these 'so called injuries'


Bute was willing to come fight in Oakland

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Nevertheless, a Ward-Bute bout would do bigger business either at Montreal’s Bell Centre, home of the NHL’s Canadiens, or Quebec City’s Pepsi Coliseum, where the Romanian-born Bute beat Glen Johnson by unanimous decision Nov. 5. The Bute-Johnson fight helped draw a crowd of 15,306, despite that Bute was a heavy favorite. A crowd of just 5,626 attended the Ward-Froch fight at Boardwalk Hall.

But Bute is willing to fight Ward in Oakland, where Ward trains.

“I can go to Oakland,” Bute said, before adding, “I’m thinking [Ward] will not come to Canada to fight me."

Yet Ward's team never made any attempts to contact Bute's advisors and promoters

"It's like he was resurrected after Easter ... after all, his nickname is 'Son Of God.' When I first read [Ward's comments], I thought it was a joke. We never had any discussions with Andre Ward. In fact, we have not heard from him since December 18... If he wanted to fight Lucian, we might have already been one week away before the fight."

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Ward makes no mentions of these' injuries', but going off the facts, his team never made any attempt to make the fight happen. Then, bizarrely after Froch and Bute sign to fight, Ward comes out and says he would have liked to fight Bute, it's all good and well saying that after Bute and Froch have signed to face each other!


Bute wanted to winner of the Super 6, and after Ward ducked him, he then signed to face the next best guy in the division - credit to him, he went to Nottingham, a risk Ward has never taken

[Loudon]

Originally Posted by pecho26

No problem.I come and see some threads and i saw you mention him,so i had to say something about that asshole.

Ha! Well I really appreciate that mate. Have you got any other interesting info? Do you know any fighters, or have you met any?

[Loudon]

Originally Posted by moneypaysbills

Alright?

All good right now, Christmas coming up which is always good.

I didn't manage to catch the fight live but I've seen it now.

They both landed a good amount of punches and obviously Johnson never being a hard hitter, being better at LHW and being 43 meant that this took more toll on Johnson being dropped in the final round and looked hurt by the end of the sixth. But credit to Johnson's iron chin he absorbed the punishment and was on his feet and not hurt when the match ended.

However, Groves wasn't that hard to hit for Johnson and if Groves is looking to step in with some big hitters he's going to have to adjust his style to become a little harder to hit as even the iron chinned Johnson showed you can get knocked down if you take enough shots.

How are things looking at your end mate?

Hi mate, I'm great thanks. I'm looking forward to Christamas too, spending time with the family etc. Still haven't done all the shopping yet though.

I'm pleased For George, definitely a learning curve for him. I'm assuming Glen will retire for good now, unless he refuses to go out on a loss. I never like to see fighters end on a loss, but most do.

Hopefully George will have a great 2013, and De Gale too. I'm playing catch up at the moment with all of these fights. I've seen Manny vs Marquez, but missed the other recent ones. I've been told DE Gale looked good the other week.


Regards, Loudon.

[pecho26]

Originally Posted by Loudon

Ha! Well I really appreciate that mate. Have you got any other interesting info? Do you know any fighters, or have you met any?

Im friends on facebook with rudy hernandez(trainer,current cutman in ufc),had some interesting conversations with him,guy is great,really modest and humble.
Some boxers in croatia,nothing special.Things here are really bad boxing wise,and state wise.

[dinovelvet]

Originally Posted by knockout artist

Here we go:






Ward makes no mention of these 'so called injuries'


Bute was willing to come fight in Oakland





Yet Ward's team never made any attempts to contact Bute's advisors and promoters




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Ward makes no mentions of these' injuries', but going off the facts, his team never made any attempt to make the fight happen. Then, bizarrely after Froch and Bute sign to fight, Ward comes out and says he would have liked to fight Bute, it's all good and well saying that after Bute and Froch have signed to face each other!


Bute wanted to winner of the Super 6, and after Ward ducked him, he then signed to face the next best guy in the division - credit to him, he went to Nottingham, a risk Ward has never taken

What does that prove, two sides both contradicting eachother.
He was out for over a year. That says it all.
Bute had already singed a two fight deal before Ward was cleared to return to training. He signed himself out of the picture to fight Froch who they thought was spent.
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[dinovelvet]

Originally Posted by knockout artist

Here we go:






Ward makes no mention of these 'so called injuries'


Bute was willing to come fight in Oakland





Yet Ward's team never made any attempts to contact Bute's advisors and promoters




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Ward makes no mentions of these' injuries', but going off the facts, his team never made any attempt to make the fight happen. Then, bizarrely after Froch and Bute sign to fight, Ward comes out and says he would have liked to fight Bute, it's all good and well saying that after Bute and Froch have signed to face each other!


Bute wanted to winner of the Super 6, and after Ward ducked him, he then signed to face the next best guy in the division - credit to him, he went to Nottingham, a risk Ward has never taken

You dont know what you're talking about if you think Ward came out of the super6 with no injuries.

"
MRI reveals Ward beat Froch with a broken left hand

"I'm glad I didn't know my hand was fractured before the fight, I just feel it was better that way. I knew something was wrong, and I knew it hurt extremely bad, but I also knew we had no choice but to move forward with the fight," said Ward, who fought Froch on Dec. 17 in Atlantic City, N.J.