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Old 12-06-2012, 10:31 AM   #61
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Some good names listed here, throw Michael Nunn in there as well, a tall rangy southpaw who Jones wanted nothing to do with.

Jones also ducked a follow up test to determine what banned anabolic steroids were in his system after he was caught the first time
More lies from Jones detractors, let's see a source for either of the above, the latter claim particularly because that isn't how drugs testing works, so good job on exposing yourself for the agenda ridden poster you are
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Old 12-06-2012, 10:34 AM   #62
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Collins was actually training to fight Calzaghe when he collapsed. Imagine that. But Collins had retired and Jones said he'd fight him if he fought Calzaghe first.

Collins said towards the end of his career that he spent the best part of his career chashing Roy Jones and that money was no longer a problem that he'd fight him for free in a phone box with two men and a dog watching. Jones wanted nothing to do with Collins and Collins was desperate for the fight.
Collins was an absolute warrior with a huge pair of balls, and I've got nothing but respect for him.

But HBO didn't want anything to do with that fight.

When he got in the ring with Roy in 99, he offered nothing. No belt, no money, he wasn't a mandatory etc. HBO wanted Roy to ignore Collins and Fight Reggie Johnson to unify the titles at 175, and that's exactly what happened. Roy fought Reggie in his very next fight.

If Collins had been a 175 champ, and there'd have been interest, then I'm sure the fight would have taken place. Steve was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

But again, he deserves enormous respect, because he can say that he chased Roy, unlike somebody else we know.


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Old 12-06-2012, 10:35 AM   #63
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Please explain how they are excuses?

Chris Eubank has ADMITTED that he didn't chase the big fights, and he was content doing what he was doing, which was fighting at home on Sky.

So that isn't an excuse. Between 94-96 a Eubank fight was not viable.

Roy WANTED a one fight deal only to fight Benn. Don King wanted to tie him into a three fight deal, and Roy wouldn't agree. Neither would back down, and Benn declined quickly after his fight with Gerald.

Frankie Liles was also a Don King fighter.

These are not excuses!

Why did Collins deserve a shot at Roy between 94-96 for beating Eubank twice?

He could have had a great resume? He's already got one.

Put Roy's resume up against anyone you want, that fought around the same time from 168-175

You can pick anyone's?

Benn's, Eubank's, Joe's, DM's, Collins's etc.

Roy will come out on top.
Because he was the WBO champion.
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Old 12-06-2012, 10:41 AM   #64
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yea right Collins was a bum and he wanted career high money
Yeah mate, Collins was a bum.
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Old 12-06-2012, 10:43 AM   #65
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Because he was the WBO champion.
And?

Roy had already beaten the best fighter at the weight and then after he couldn't negotiate with King, he decided to move up.

I wouldn't mind if he'd missed all these guys, while staying at 168. But he only fought there 6 times.
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Old 12-06-2012, 10:46 AM   #66
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Collins was an absolute warrior with a huge pair of balls, and I've got nothing but respect for him.

But HBO didn't want anything to do with that fight.

When he got in the ring with Roy in 99, he offered nothing. No belt, no money, he wasn't a mandatory etc. HBO wanted Roy to ignore Collins and Fight Reggie Johnson to unify the titles at 175, and that's exactly what happened. Roy fought Reggie in his very next fight.

If Collins had been a 175 champ, and there'd have been interest, then I'm sure the fight would have taken place. Steve was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

But again, he deserves enormous respect, because he can say that he chased Roy, unlike somebody else we know.


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But in 99' Collins was retired 2 years.

I see what you mean, pro boxing being a business and all but the only time Jones said that he'd fight Collins was when he was retired and only if he fought Calzaghe first.

Im not sayin Collins would have beat Jones or vise versa, I just came across this thread and thought I'd have a look.
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Old 12-06-2012, 10:48 AM   #67
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More lies from Jones detractors, let's see a source for either of the above, the latter claim particularly because that isn't how drugs testing works, so good job on exposing yourself for the agenda ridden poster you are

Nunn was Jones' mandatory, he should have fought him.

As for the failed drugs test, well the proof has posted on here many times, a letter asking for a follow up test, and Jacob Hall confirming that Jones didn't submit to it. As there were no laws at that time, because the testing was in it's infancy, they couldn't prosecute him. The proof has been posted on here several times before, if you choose to ignore it then go ahead, it is what it is

If it really bothers you, I can post up the sources later when I have time?
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Old 12-06-2012, 10:52 AM   #68
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Old 12-06-2012, 10:53 AM   #69
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And?

Roy had already beaten the best fighter at the weight and then after he couldn't negotiate with King, he decided to move up.

I wouldn't mind if he'd missed all these guys, while staying at 168. But he only fought there 6 times.
It was a belt he hadn't got.

Can you justify him being the best in the division when he didn't fight the champions?
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Haven't read through the thread. How many Brits have junked it up?
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Old 12-06-2012, 10:58 AM   #71
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But in 99' Collins was retired 2 years.

I see what you mean, pro boxing being a business and all but the only time Jones said that he'd fight Collins was when he was retired and only if he fought Calzaghe first.

Im not sayin Collins would have beat Jones or vise versa, I just came across this thread and thought I'd have a look.
That's fair enough mate, and I agree Roy messed him about.

HBO wanted Calzaghe and Collins to face each other, with the winner possibly fighting Roy. It was Lou De Bella who wanted that. Collins then had to retire, and Joe passed up the chance of fighting in the U.S. to raise his profile, by saying "I'm not chasing Roy Jones, I don't want tough fights."

Again, I've got so much respect for Collins, but people like to imply that Roy was scared of him etc.

If Roy had've been scared of Collins at 29, then what the hell was he doing up at heavyweight at 34, asking his promoter to try and get him fights with Lewis and Tyson?


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Old 12-06-2012, 11:04 AM   #72
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We all have different opinions and that's fine. But you have been shown PROOF that they didn't want a double header to promote the fight, and that Brad Jacobs and HBO couldn't get Kohl to sit down and discuss terms.

It's there in black and white.


Go to 6.05 of this video and watch it until the 8th min.


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Then go and look at who DM fought, after the fight with Roy fell through.

That tells you how seriously he wanted a big fight, and how much he really wanted Roy.
What a garbage interview....Did we excpect RJJ to take any blame...Oh well it certainly was entertaining.
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It was a belt he hadn't got.

Can you justify him being the best in the division when he didn't fight the champions?
He couldn't fight the other champs and the WBO wasn't respected back then at all.

Benn was the WBC champion.

As discussed, Roy tried to negotiate with Don King to fight Nigel Benn in 1995. But King wanted to tie Roy into a three fight deal. Roy wanted a one fight deal only, and neither would back down.

Frankie Liles was the WBA champion, and was also a Don King fighter.

Roy knew he couldn't unify, so he moved up.

When Collins came calling for Roy again in 1999, Roy was up at 175.

There's lots of politics and circumstances that rob fight fans of good fights. It's not as simple as saying someone ducked such and such.


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Old 12-06-2012, 11:11 AM   #74
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He COULD have accepted the 40%, but he DIDN'T!

Roy had a win over him and was fighting at 175.

There would had to have been a catchweight.

Roy already had intentions of moving up to heavy at the time.

So he wasn't going to come down in weight, when he knew he'd have to bulk up soon, to fight a guy that he hated, and who he'd already beaten for less than 60%

Do you think if Bernard had've beaten Roy in 93, and was up at 175, he'd have come down for Roy for 50/50? Ha! I don't thinks so!

If Bernard had have wanted that fight as much as what he told people that he did, then he'd have taken the cut.

But he didn't. Actions speak louder than words.
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Old 12-06-2012, 11:20 AM   #75
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Prime roy = the time he was beating up taxi drivers, and looking good at that.
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