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Old 12-02-2012, 03:32 AM   #1
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Default Lewis/Klitschkos dominate because of their size?

People say or used to say that the Klitschkos/Lewis beat people because of a size advantage. But seeing guys like Wach, Helenius and Dimitrenko having a very hard time at top level, and seeing how Wilder avoids top opposition. Do people still think, they just dominate because if their size?
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Old 12-02-2012, 03:36 AM   #2
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Default Re: Lewis/Klitschkos dominate because of their size?

Lewis dominated because he fought drug addicts,old fighters or old drug addicts.

Klitschko bros dominated a weak division.

Size is barely a factor. Lewis was smashed by 2 guys who were 6'2 and Vitali lost to the 6'1 217 pound Byrd.

Wlad was smashed by the 6'1 Brewster and the 6'2 Purritty.
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Old 12-02-2012, 03:39 AM   #3
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Lewis dominated because he fought drug addicts,old fighters or old drug addicts.

Klitschko bros dominated a weak division.

Size is barely a factor. Lewis was smashed by 2 guys who were 6'2 and Vitali lost to the 6'1 217 pound Byrd.

Wlad was smashed by the 6'1 Brewster and the 6'2 Purritty.
On average the naturally heavier guys do better.
Louis/Tyson in his prime (when he was most dominant)/Holmes/Ali/frazier/foreman/Lewis all outweighted most of their opposition.

Sometimes you get guys who can do without the physical advantages but those are pretty rare.
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Old 12-02-2012, 03:46 AM   #4
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Default Re: Lewis/Klitschkos dominate because of their size?

Size is a reason why they dominated

They made the most of their physical attributes and used them to their advantage ... Tyson's height may have been seen as a detriment to many but since he was lower to the ground he was a harder target to hit, due to his style
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Old 12-02-2012, 03:49 AM   #5
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Default Re: Lewis/Klitschkos dominate because of their size?

I think the size advantage is exaggerated, especially with Lewis who fought Mercer and Holyfield(2nd Fight) on the smaller guys terms and beat them. Vitali showed some mid range boxing against Chisora.
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Old 12-02-2012, 03:50 AM   #6
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Default Re: Lewis/Klitschkos dominate because of their size?

It's not the size, it's what you do with it
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Old 12-02-2012, 03:59 AM   #7
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Default Re: Lewis/Klitschkos dominate because of their size?

Size alone doesn't mean much. But when you combine it with skills and coordination it's a great advantage. Lewis and Klitschkos (and arguably Bowe) are the only guys in the history of the sport that match giants like Primo Carnera in size and smaller champs in skills and coordination. It's very unusual to see such big men move like that.

Add motivation, discipline, work ethics and you have the 3 great "super HW" champs.
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Old 12-02-2012, 04:27 AM   #8
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Size alone doesn't mean much. But when you combine it with skills and coordination it's a great advantage. Lewis and Klitschkos (and arguably Bowe) are the only guys in the history of the sport that match giants like Primo Carnera in size and smaller champs in skills and coordination. It's very unusual to see such big men move like that.

Add motivation, discipline, work ethics and you have the 3 great "super HW" champs.
Golota was very good too, but his mind was a bit too weak to be a champion.

He beat Bowe 2 times and even if Bowe was a bit faded he was still on top of the crop and Golota handed his balls 2 times in a row.
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Old 12-02-2012, 04:36 AM   #9
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Default Re: Lewis/Klitschkos dominate because of their size?

Size does count, otherwise of course we would not have weight divisions.

But there is always a tradeoff...huge guys gas more quickly, and are less quick and less agile. I think we'd see this even more if there were still 15 round fights. They have to fight at a more measured pace. On the other hand, they tend to be stronger and their weight advantage counts up in close. The little guy has to do more to keep up.

Very few fighters have dominated purely because of size though....it's always a combination of factors.
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Old 12-02-2012, 04:47 AM   #10
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Size helps them but it's just part of the game, the same with power, speed, chin,.. The same people say there needs to be a SHW division (yeah another division is exactly what boxing needs.....) but it's just not true there are very few fighters who have size AND skills
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Golota was very good too, but his mind was a bit too weak to be a champion.

He beat Bowe 2 times and even if Bowe was a bit faded he was still on top of the crop and Golota handed his balls 2 times in a row.
I thought about Golota as well. But he was 6'4 for and I set the borderline for being "really" big at 6'5... But yeah, he had great coordination and skillset for a man his size, when he wasn't tensed as **** or freaked out, that is.
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Old 12-02-2012, 04:50 AM   #12
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People say or used to say that the Klitschkos/Lewis beat people because of a size advantage. But seeing guys like Wach, Helenius and Dimitrenko having a very hard time at top level, and seeing how Wilder avoids top opposition. Do people still think, they just dominate because if their size?
Plus Audley Harrison, Tony Thompson, Kali Meehan, Jameel McCline, Alexander Ustinov, Lance Whitaker, Tye Fields, Timo Hoffman, Michael Grant, Henry Akinwande, Jorge Luis Gonzalez, Ray Austin, Derrick Jefferson. And more. If you go to the trouble of looking up all the contemporaries with any name whatsoever who are both 6'4+ and 230+(anywhere where 230 is close to decent shape) you will understand very quickly that Bowe, Lewis, Vitali and Volo, while having a size advantage, more often than not, clearly, clearly had to be strong total packages, like you'd have to be in any weight class, in any era, at any time in the sport to have the best career of the least of those four fighters' careers. Let alone the fact that most of the guys we're mentioning either got handily defeated by these guys or handily beaten by someone these four guys defeated. It's simple: Size is one factor where they all usually had the advantage, but only one factor of a great many.

Simplifying it to size in the heavyweight division is, well, simple. The gormless kind of simple. Not the Einsteinical, best kind of simple. There are reasons why Joe Louis didn't die against Primo Carnera and Buddy Baer. There are reasons why Ali didn't get the shit kicked out of him by Chuck ****ing Wepner and why Haye came up from cruiserweight and nicked one over the biggest HW champ to ever live. And the main reason is that size is just one factor. And it's not even the biggest one. Pun. Disregard pun.
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Old 12-02-2012, 04:55 AM   #13
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Plus Audley Harrison, Tony Thompson, Kali Meehan, Jameel McCline, Alexander Ustinov, Lance Whitaker, Tye Fields, Timo Hoffman, Michael Grant, Henry Akinwande, Ray Austin, Derrick Jefferson. And more. If you go to the trouble of looking up all the contemporaries with any name whatsoever who are both 6'4+ and 230+(anywhere where 230 is close to decent shape) you will understand very quickly that Bowe, Lewis, Vitali and Volo, while having a size advantage, more often than not, clearly, clearly had to be strong total packages, like you'd have to be in any weight class, in any era, at any time in the sport to have the best career of the least of those four fighters' careers. It's simple: Size is one factor where they all usually had the advantage, but only one factor of a great many.

Simplifying it to size in the heavyweight division is, well, simple. The gormless kind of simple. Not the Einsteinical, best kind of simple. There are reasons why Joe Louis didn't die against Primo Carnera and Buddy Baer. There are reasons why Ali didn't get the shit kicked out of him by Chuck ****ing Wepner and why Haye came up from cruiserweight and nicked one over the biggest HW champ to ever live. And the main reason is that size is just one factor. And it's not even the biggest one. Pun. Disregard pun.
Valuev and Carnera aren't the very best examples though.
They are sufferers of gigantism which gives even bigger trade offs than just being big.
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Old 12-02-2012, 04:56 AM   #14
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Size helps them but it's just part of the game, the same with power, speed, chin,.. The same people say there needs to be a SHW division (yeah another division is exactly what boxing needs.....) but it's just not true there are very few fighters who have size AND skills
Skill is rare everywhere no matter the size.
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Old 12-02-2012, 05:19 AM   #15
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Default Re: Lewis/Klitschkos dominate because of their size?

more to the fact that they established exellent jabs, which helped them control most of their opponents, but their size and reach was also a factor
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