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Marquez Points 6 33.33%
Marquez Stoppage 1 5.56%
Pacquiao Points 8 44.44%
Pacquiao Stoppage 2 11.11%
Draw 1 5.56%
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Old 11-19-2012, 04:33 PM   #1
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This is simply my opinion, if you feel differently please post the differences you would make, Also this is including the wear and tear on the fighters, meaning this is their current abilities as a fighter and not Prime Ratings. Leave PED accusation out of this thread, innocent till proven guilty, show both fighters RESPECT

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Technical Ability - 9-8.5, JMM has the Advantage here He is the most best combination puncher in the game today, one of the greatest, if not the greatest combination punchers of all time, he has a good well timed jab and he has excellent accuracy in his power punches, excellent Counter puncher, the best today, counter punches whilst exchanging punches, which is very rare for a fighter. Pac on the other hand has developed on his technique throughout the years, maybe not a fighter that you look at and think he's a excellent technical fighter, but in his unorthodox way he has excellent technique in power punches and a underrated right hook counter.

Defence - 8.5-8, JMM Closer than what people might think. able to mantain his defencive ability under heavy pressure against the ropes, excellent head movement and great ability to judge distance but does get hit, probably due to the fact he fights more aggressively after his slight alter in style - which is out of character to his natural counter punching style. Pacquiao on the other hand has a very good defence but often underrated due to the fact it doesn't live up to his other great abilities as a fighter, he often seems to get bored in a fight, but when he decides to box is hard to hit e.g. Bradley fight

Offence
- 9 - 8.5, Advantage Pacquiao, Manny's a fighter who relies on a solid offence to win fights. He's strength and angles makes him a fighter that is difficult to stop in his tracks when he is in a mean mentality,, he has a decent jab and is relentless and backs up his powerful head punches with body punches, couple of years ago this would have been a certain 10, recently his footwork has slowed and his punch power has gone down. JMM is a great offensive fighter, he relies on combination punching to punish his opponents, but it takes him a while in a fight to take over with his offence alone and has tendency to get caught when trading.

Footwork - 8- 8, Equal, Many may argue either way, JMM had the superior footwork in their 3rd meeting, but that to me was part due to gameplan and mentality going into the fight, Pacqiuao had ATG footwork around 09, but has declined massively and it shows in his fights, compare him to the Hatton fight where he had superior footwork to a guy with excellent footwork same in ODLH fight where he used in and out tactics, now Bradley came foward and didn't run like mosley, he still couldn't fight the way he used to. JMM has good general movement, he finds good angles to counter his oppenents and he is a good ring general, he is excellent at judging distance as a fighter

Accuracy - 8.5, 8.5 Equal, Again this may be an area, where it seems JMM has superior accuracy, but the level of competition has to be taken into consideration, Pacquiao has faced a superior level of competition and has managed to do alot of damage, sure JMM has more accurate combinations, but pacquiao makes up for it in pure power punches, Pacquiao's accuracy seemed to go down with reducing footspeed, JMM has slowed down aswell (not as much as pacquiao), this has affected his accuracy, about 3 years ago I think both fighters would have received a better rating.

Power
- 8.5-6.5, Pacquiao although not a massive puncher anymore as he was, mainly due to Pac not being able to generate as much power from legs - loss of momentum has a clear advantage here, his power isn't as devastating as it once was but is enough to hurt a world class oppenent and has the ability to put them away if hurt with accurate power punches, he has taken out much bigger men, but his rating is not P4P rating but a rating comparing him with other 147 fighters, maybe 140 because they are very small for the weight, He has lost snap in his punches recently. JMM had excellent power at 126-130, but since moving up to 140/147 his power hasn't been tested, but even lightweight he had the sort of power that would wear down opponents with accurate punches

Speed - 8.5- 7, Pacquiao has excellent speed. He can throw short punches from unconventional angles and right hooks surprises opponents, he can also mix it up with hooks to the body on the inside, his speed has declined both feet and hand, main factor to his decline. JMM although not a speed fighter, he isn't slow either, he has quick jabs and can throw quick hooks and uppercuts excellent speed in combinations, considering the quality. Both fighters have declined in this category in recent years - Pacquiao mainly due to one tough fight after another, JMM due to Age mainly.

Versatility - 8- 7, Pacquiao, He is able to trade and brawl when required he is able to Box in and out and break opponents down, he is also able to fight off the back foot as he did vs ODLH in recent years, whether if he can do it now, is a different question. JMM He can do few things things and he can do those two things very well, He is able to both Box on the backfoot and counter punch by having great control over distance and movement, he is able to apply pressure and finish of a opponent and can trade well, he can come foward throwing combinations . Pac can fight in mid range and recently with developed boxing skills on the Outside and also can throw powerfull body punches on the inside, where as JMM is able to fight on the outside and inside, he is not on Pacquiao's level in mid range, not that he can't fight there, just that is where he gets caught alot, he leaves himself open on the middle, he needs to stay away from mid range, for him to win with pacquiao in their 4th fight

Stamina - 8- 8, Equal - Both fighters have good stamina, but Pacquiao's has declined massively, although JMM is less tired at the end of the fight, one has to remember the work rate Pacquiao fights with and in all 3 fights pacquiao seemed to come back towards the end of the fight.

Heart - 9-10 Both have great hearts, But JMM has to take it for me, although neither look like they will ever quit, JMM got up of the floor many times, always looked determined to do so aswel. thing with pacquiao is that you have to question does he still want boxing, he has alot to do in his life with politics, JMM seems to want this win more than Pacquiao, he often gets frustrated in fights, but recently showed heart when he was clearly exhausted in the corner vs bradley.

Chin - 9- 7, Pacquiao has a Great chin down few times and KO'd but all in the lower weights. he has been hit clean many times, not down to lack of defence more to do with aggression and fighting style, took monster punches from cotto, Margarito in the higher weights. JMM has gone down many times but has great powers of recovery, he seems to be able to take solid shots if he sees them coming, but he is still vulnerable when trading.

Physical Attributes - 8- 7, Pacquiao, not only are these great fighters matched with skill they are also matched in physical attributes, Manny's attributes have left him, he was a freak of nature with his athletic ability, but now he is only slightly more athletic than JMM, it is close but mainly due to pacquiao's decline. JMM is very solid, nothing spectacular, but nothing bad, very well match here aswell

Some attributes are missing though such as Cut/Swelling resistance, ring IQ and Corner ect.

Overall - Pacquiao: 8.5 vs Marquez : 8

Both Fighters have declined, But in JMM case, he has only declined by little and is able to adjust due to the fact he is a boxer, boxers tend to be more able to adjust better, Pacquiao has improved on some things some things technically over the past 4 years but he has declined quite a bit from the explosiveness of his prime.

Prediction
: Fight will be close, no knockdowns. JMM would box and take the early round but Pacquiao for a change will take middle rounds with aggression, JMM will take his rounds on clear punches and combinations, pacquiao in messy aggression and work rate, even going into the last 4 rounds, both fighters try to put in their authority, but it's pacquiao with his superior power who manges to back up JMM, Pacquiao takes a close decision 115-113, Fans clame a robbery due to being a close fight. Maybe even a draw

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Arum: Gate is near 11 million, less than 1,000 seats left for Pacquiao-Marquez 4.

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Good accurate ratings. Hoping that Pac turns back the clock as the Pac that fought Bradley gets shutout 12-0 imo. Even if Pac turns back time though, this match is mainly a case of strategy. As Roach said, they need to throw out the window everything they tried before and just go in there and risk it, guns blazing. Pac will not beat JMM in a chess match.

JMM has Pac's movements figured out and has certain reflexes and reactions that nullify Pac's attack.
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Could care less about this glorified sparring session for easy millions smh.
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Could care less about this glorified sparring session for easy millions smh.
Glorified sparring sessions? Cos their first 3 bouts sure looked like sparring sessions right...?
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Glorified sparring sessions? Cos their first 3 bouts sure looked like sparring sessions right...?
You obviously missed the first 5 rounds of the last fight and Pac hasn't had that killer instinct since Margarito hurt him.
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5 rounds define a 12 round fight? if you think 5 tactical rounds is a sparring session, most greats mainly had glorified sparring sessions in their career.
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Manny more versatile than JMM?

I don't think so mate.
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