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Old 01-11-2013, 10:41 AM   #1
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Default Pac's 3 first fights with Marquez and Floyd's first fight with Castillo

Who truly won the first 3 matches between Pac and Marquez? I heard Pac won the first and the second, with Marquez being dominant in the third. And did Castillo get robbed in his first match against Floyd? I have some good reasons to ask these things. And was De La Hoya completely shot when Pac and Floyd fought him? What about Shane Mosley?
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Old 01-11-2013, 11:13 AM   #2
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marquez very clearly won the second and third fights. i thought he lost the first one. floyd won against castillo in my opinion.
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Old 01-11-2013, 11:16 AM   #3
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Who truly won the first 3 matches between Pac and Marquez? I heard Pac won the first and the second, with Marquez being dominant in the third. And did Castillo get robbed in his first match against Floyd? I have some good reasons to ask these things. And was De La Hoya completely shot when Pac and Floyd fought him? What about Shane Mosley?
Hey you got questions? Looking for answers? who, what, when?
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Old 01-11-2013, 11:20 AM   #4
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Default Re: Pac's 3 first fights with Marquez and Floyd's first fight with Castillo

I'll attempt to answer...

I had JMM winning the first 3 fights.
With the second one being the closest on my card.

First Castillo/Floyd fight was close & I thought JLC should have got the nod.
Glad the immediate rematch happened tho.

De La Hoya/ Mosley...
Thought Shane took the first fight But Oscar clearly deserved the decision in the second fight.
I scored it 116-110 DLH
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Old 01-11-2013, 11:25 AM   #5
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Default Re: Pac's 3 first fights with Marquez and Floyd's first fight with Castillo

How did you people score the rounds in Pac-Marquez 1, 2 and 3? And did Floyd look worse than Castillo in their first match?
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Old 01-11-2013, 11:25 AM   #6
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Default Re: Pac's 3 first fights with Marquez and Floyd's first fight with Castillo

The 2nd Castillo fight was much closer than the 1st.

Floyd wins the first 4 rounds because Castillo does little to nothing.
Floyd is winning before both point deductions.

That's 5 rounds with 1 10-8 won by Floyd and 1 draw round.

If you give Castillo every other round, the best he could do is 6-5-1 Castillo which is a draw with the 10-8....and Floyd has a legitimate case for some of those later rounds.


The 2nd fight was much much closer because Floyd stayed on his back foot too long without punching. I have scored that consistently 7-5 Floyd with him taking the last two rounds to seal the fight.
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Old 01-11-2013, 11:28 AM   #7
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Ummm... Did you try actually WATCHING the fights? There's always youtube.

Don't let others shape your opinion. Formulate your own and then discuss.
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Old 01-11-2013, 11:31 AM   #8
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i dont think de la hoya was completely shot when he faced pacquiao. he was just a very inactive boxer. what really ****ed him up in that fight was the weight. he weighed 147 on fight night. he mustve been very weak in that fight. he looked pretty good against floyd and was coming off a huge tko victory over ricardo mayorga. no way was he shot against floyd. he had slowed down considerably, but he wasnt shot. mosley was juicing when he fought de la hoya. those wins should be no contests.
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Old 01-11-2013, 11:39 AM   #9
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Default Re: Pac's 3 first fights with Marquez and Floyd's first fight with Castillo

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I'll attempt to answer...

I had JMM winning the first 3 fights.
With the second one being the closest on my card.

First Castillo/Floyd fight was close & I thought JLC should have got the nod.
Glad the immediate rematch happened tho.

De La Hoya/ Mosley...
Thought Shane took the first fight But Oscar clearly deserved the decision in the second fight.
I scored it 116-110 DLH
Same victors for me as well.
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Old 01-11-2013, 11:46 AM   #10
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Default Re: Pac's 3 first fights with Marquez and Floyd's first fight with Castillo

Mayweather unquestionably won rounds 1-5 in the first Castillo fight.

Castillo did not sweep the rest of the fight.
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Old 01-11-2013, 11:57 AM   #11
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Default Re: Pac's 3 first fights with Marquez and Floyd's first fight with Castillo

Had JMM-Pacquiao I as a draw, JMM winning the second 114-113 and the third 115-113.

Scored the first Floyd-Castillo fight 115-113 to Mayweather but he didn't look impressive, probably thanks to the injury.

Oscar was clearly past his best against Floyd but still managed to give him a good fight. He looked half-dead against Pacquiao though, totally shot.
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Old 01-11-2013, 03:28 PM   #12
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Default Re: Pac's 3 first fights with Marquez and Floyd's first fight with Castillo

Floyd clearly beat Castillo. I've watched and scored the fight multiple times and always have Floyd winning 8-9 rounds. Most recently I had Floyd winning rounds 1-6, 8, 10 and 11 with 4 very close rounds. I have it 116-110, but could reasonably see a 114-112 score (Ref deducted 2 points).

Pacquiao and Marquez have some really close rounds. I think there are reasonable cards that would have Pac winning the first and second fights. I personally have gone back and forth on the first fight largely because of the knockdowns in round 1, Marquez clearly wins more rounds. I have Marquez winning the second fight but it's close. Marquez clearly won the third.
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Old 01-11-2013, 03:43 PM   #13
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Manny vs JMM. Theres a reason Pac took a 4th fight, know that. Floyd vs Castillo....

Anyone who is objective gave Floyd the first 5 rounds right off the bat. No way Castillo won 7 rounds in a row. Thats all you need to know about that. Floyd fought through a tough injury that fight and yes, everyone disregards that Floyd beat Castillo with one arm but hey, if your hated..... and happen to be Floyd you might as well be a modern day Jack Johnson courting white women in the early 1900's.
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Old 01-11-2013, 04:01 PM   #14
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Gave JMM the second and third fights against Pac. As it's been said, Floyd won first 5 rounds against Castillo, and Castillo didn't win no damn 7 rounds straight. Oscar wasn't his prime when he fought them, but he wasn't completely shot. He was a step slower vs Floyd and drained himself too much to be competitive with Pac. Mosley was on PEDS for the Oscar fights, Oscar wins by default in my book.
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Old 01-11-2013, 04:07 PM   #15
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Default Re: Pac's 3 first fights with Marquez and Floyd's first fight with Castillo

Imo they are 4 razor close fights that can arguably be scored in a variety of ways that shouldn't detract the losers effort at all (aside from Pac in the third given how big a favourite he was).

I personally had it 3-0 jmm
And 2-0 Floyd.

as for Oscar he wasn't completely shot but he was markedly past prime and he might have actually been favourite in both the fights.
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