Was Leonards win over Tommy Hearns his greatest accomplishment.?

TheSouthpaw · 12-09-2012, 03:17 AM

Tommy was ahead through most of that fight pretty much given Leonard a beating, And then Ray turned it on and it got ugly for Tommy real fast, But was it Leonards greatest moment?

TheSouthpaw · 12-09-2012, 03:20 AM

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ripcity · 12-09-2012, 04:06 AM

Beating Hagler after a 3 year layoff.

MAG1965 · 12-09-2012, 04:40 AM

probably Hagler.. Hearns and Duran and Benitez are all great wins. Hagler was the most unexpected. No one gave him a chance to beat Marvin .

Hands of Iron · 12-09-2012, 04:48 AM

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Originally Posted by MAG1965

probably Hagler.. Hearns and Duran and Benitez are all great wins. Hagler was the most unexpected. No one gave him a chance to beat Marvin .

Yet somehow no one gives him credit for it today.

Let's agree on something MAG.

That's total Bullshit.

MAG1965 · 12-09-2012, 04:57 AM

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Yet somehow no one gives him credit for it today.

Let's agree on something MAG.

That's total Bullshit.

You do or don't think Ray gets credit? It was probably his greatest win as far as legacy just because it separated his rather short prime with his comeback. Ray's legacy improved a lot with that fight.

Addie · 12-09-2012, 05:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Hands of Iron

Yet somehow no one gives him credit for it today.

Let's agree on something MAG.

That's total Bullshit.

Absolutely, Hands of Iron. Absolutely.

Colonel Sanders · 12-09-2012, 05:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Hands of Iron

Yet somehow no one gives him credit for it today.

Let's agree on something MAG.

That's total Bullshit.

what are you talking about...

prime · 12-09-2012, 05:24 AM

A close second to Hagler. The undefeated Thomas Hearns was an awesome, awesome fighter.

Hands of Iron · 12-09-2012, 05:30 AM

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what are you talking about...

Eastside Boxing.

Hands of Iron · 12-09-2012, 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by MAG1965

You do or don't think Ray gets credit? It was probably his greatest win as far as legacy just because it separated his rather short prime with his comeback. Ray's legacy improved a lot with that fight.

No one is an obvious exaggeration. I've been in enough debates about it with posters not named redrooster to conclude a rather large percentage actually don't. That's the reality of this forum.

MAG1965 · 12-09-2012, 06:28 AM

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No one is an obvious exaggeration. I've been in enough debates about it with posters not named redrooster to conclude a rather large percentage actually don't. That's the reality of this forum.

Ray knew when to fight Hagler that is for sure. in retrospect it seems clear Ray could beat him, but on the night he beat Marvin it was a little surreal, sort of like Manny being knocked out by Marquez tonight. I didn't think Ray could hang in there with Marvin.

lufcrazy · 12-09-2012, 09:59 AM

For mist fighters victory over an absolute h2h beast would be the greatest accomplishment. Or maybe making a p4p quit on his stool would be.

But no, for sugar ray the pinnacle is ending a 5 year hiatus with victory over arguably the greatest mw of all time.

redrooster · 12-09-2012, 12:30 PM

The Hearns fight was what made Leonard Leonard - a superstar that transcended the sport to take over the spot that Ali vacated, and what turned me and many others, into a fan (I'm not ashamed to admit it)

what made the win so impressive was how Sugar used his defense in the first third of the fight to stymie Tommy's offense, & take some of the steam out of him. Then later, pour it on to to tear apart the Hitman

Sugar's BIGGEST moment and IMO his most complete performance, came in the Hagler fight, a fight he put off for 5 yrs. Under the circumstances (5 yr layoff, no tuneup, no previous experience @ middleweight) his win seems that much more impressive

as for no one giving him a chance, that is strictly myth. I myself know of many giving Ray a realistic shot including Bob Arum who spoke of an upset just days prior to the fight

redrooster · 12-09-2012, 12:35 PM

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For mist fighters victory over an absolute h2h beast would be the greatest accomplishment. Or maybe making a p4p quit on his stool would be.

But no, for sugar ray the pinnacle is ending a 5 year hiatus with victory over arguably the greatest mw of all time.

I'd have been more impressed with a win over Nunn or Norris cuz they are fast & Hagler was slow

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redrooster Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 4,839 vCash: 1000	Re: Was Leonards win over Tommy Hearns his greatest accomplishment.? The Hearns fight was what made Leonard Leonard - a superstar that transcended the sport to take over the spot that Ali vacated, and what turned me and many others, into a fan (I'm not ashamed to admit it) what made the win so impressive was how Sugar used his defense in the first third of the fight to stymie Tommy's offense, & take some of the steam out of him. Then later, pour it on to to tear apart the Hitman Sugar's BIGGEST moment and IMO his most complete performance, came in the Hagler fight, a fight he put off for 5 yrs. Under the circumstances (5 yr layoff, no tuneup, no previous experience @ middleweight) his win seems that much more impressive as for no one giving him a chance, that is strictly myth. I myself know of many giving Ray a realistic shot including Bob Arum who spoke of an upset just days prior to the fight
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