NY Times suspicious of Márquez

[Box702]

That's why Marquez aced & accepted all tests crying faggots().........

[Scar]

Originally Posted by canucks9314

i don't get it. floyd got ragged on for using similar, bad logic but now the same people who ragged on him are supporting this.

Fans have been using this as an excuse for a long time, nothing new. What Mayweather did was unprofessional jealousy of Pacquiao's general standing and appreciation. He didn't fight nor physically test Pacquiao to say the garbage he did. He didn't want to fight and test him in the ring, so he decided to falsely accuse him of rubbish.

[Cut Me Mick]

Originally Posted by SweetHome_Bama

It is hard to put on weight while doing cardio

Stopped reading here. You really are a clueless moron if you believe that.

[zetsui]

"a bodybuilder" hypertrophy aint gonna give you knockout power. This is from the same paper that puts Eastern European descent Israeli Nazis with Merkavas and F-16s as victims on the front page of their own apartheid of the indigenous population

[Scar]

Originally Posted by SweetHome_Bama

The power difference came from some where, as did the buliking he did in the 3rd and 4th fight.

It is hard to put on weight while doing cardio, I have no doubt like Manny he was aided in doing so with the help of the PEDs from Angel.

This is the first time Juan ever put Manny down with one clean blow. EVER. He never was able to do that landing the exact same punch before in any of the 3 previous fights. Hell he caught him with the same right hand counter on Manny coming in before and never put him out like that before.

The power came from somewhere, because he never exhibited before and it is my opinion that looking at who he sought out, Angel, it came from him and his specialty, which is designer steroids.

Marquez put on major mass compared to his usual frame, late in life and also developed serous one punch power at 147 in the process, while still retaining stamina to go punch for punch with Manny and not be winded in any way in the 6 rounds they had.

Marquez is clearly a PED user in my opinion and I don't blame him, Manny is on it too.

First of all, I believe everyone is on something in sports, you're only smart if you are able to escape it. As olympian Ben Johnson already stated "Everyone cheats", this isn't anything new to anyone that follows sports in depth.

Now to get on topic yet again. As I previously stated, Marquez never looked anything supernatural in this fight. What PEDs do is greatly enhance stamina, recovery and activity. It does NOT develop power overnight because if it did, almost ALL professional boxers would have great KO ratios. What Marquez did was hire a controversial(nothing different from others who escape their own formulas) yet experienced and great conditioner. Marquez' gameplan in this one was obvious, he wanted to use his usual counter punching but be more offensive than normal due to his power training. If anything, it looked like Marquez was tiring already from the pummeling he took, blood loss and cuts as the fight progressed. I didn't notice anything supernatural there that are clear cut indications of heavy PED usage, NONE of it whatsoever. I just saw a dedicated fighter fighting the same way he always did only more offensive than usual because it was clearly do or die for him this time, he was clearly opening up at some points to get knocked out his self. PEDs do NOT develop a solid chin overnight, otherwise as I said again, everyone will have an iron chin in this sport.

That's just my opinion on the subject and I'm sure many will agree that Marquez hardly looked supernatural compared to before. Was Tarver on PEDs in his rematch with Jones Jr. despite what happened in the first round?, was Martinez on PEDs in his rematch against Williams? I have FAR more examples to share. Pacquiao got caught cold by a punch he didn't expect, it happens in this sport and shouldn't come as a surprise. What happened here is Boxing, not PEDs.

[Cut Me Mick]

Originally Posted by Scar

First of all, I believe everyone is on something in sports, you're only smart if you are able to escape it. As olympian Ben Johnson already stated "Everyone cheats", this isn't anything new to anyone that follows sports in depth.

Now to get on topic yet again. As I previously stated, Marquez never looked anything supernatural in this fight. What PEDs do is greatly enhance stamina, recovery and activity. It does NOT develop power overnight because if it did, almost ALL professional boxers would have great KO ratios. What Marquez did was hire a controversial(nothing different from others who escape their own formulas) yet experienced and great conditioner. Marquez' gameplan in this one was obvious, he wanted to use his usual counter punching but be more offensive than normal due to his power training. If anything, it looked like Marquez was tiring already from the pummeling he took, blood loss and cuts as the fight progressed. I didn't notice anything supernatural there that are clear cut indications of heavy PED usage, NONE of it whatsoever. I just saw a dedicated fighter fighting the same way he always did only more offensive than usual because it was clearly do or die for him this time, he was clearly opening up at some points to get knocked out his self. PEDs do NOT develop a solid chin overnight, otherwise as I said again, everyone will have an iron chin in this sport.

That's just my opinion on the subject and I'm sure many will agree that Marquez hardly looked supernatural compared to before. Was Tarver on PEDs in his rematch with Jones Jr. despite what happened in the first round?, was Martinez on PEDs in his rematch against Williams? I have FAR more examples to share. Pacquiao got caught cold by a punch he didn't expect, it happens in this sport and shouldn't come as a surprise. What happened here is Boxing, not PEDs.

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[bonds]

There was only 1 guy in this fight refusing random blood testing, and it wasn't Marquez...

[RightHandLead17]

Pacquaio and his camp would be the biggest hypocrites in the world to ask Marquez to take a PED test lol.

[BobDigi5060]

Pactards unite!

[Smokin' Joe]

Originally Posted by Scar

First of all, I believe everyone is on something in sports, you're only smart if you are able to escape it. As olympian Ben Johnson already stated "Everyone cheats", this isn't anything new to anyone that follows sports in depth.

Now to get on topic yet again. As I previously stated, Marquez never looked anything supernatural in this fight. What PEDs do is greatly enhance stamina, recovery and activity. It does NOT develop power overnight because if it did, almost ALL professional boxers would have great KO ratios. What Marquez did was hire a controversial(nothing different from others who escape their own formulas) yet experienced and great conditioner. Marquez' gameplan in this one was obvious, he wanted to use his usual counter punching but be more offensive than normal due to his power training. If anything, it looked like Marquez was tiring already from the pummeling he took, blood loss and cuts as the fight progressed. I didn't notice anything supernatural there that are clear cut indications of heavy PED usage, NONE of it whatsoever. I just saw a dedicated fighter fighting the same way he always did only more offensive than usual because it was clearly do or die for him this time, he was clearly opening up at some points to get knocked out his self. PEDs do NOT develop a solid chin overnight, otherwise as I said again, everyone will have an iron chin in this sport.

That's just my opinion on the subject and I'm sure many will agree that Marquez hardly looked supernatural compared to before. Was Tarver on PEDs in his rematch with Jones Jr. despite what happened in the first round?, was Martinez on PEDs in his rematch against Williams? I have FAR more examples to share. Pacquiao got caught cold by a punch he didn't expect, it happens in this sport and shouldn't come as a surprise. What happened here is Boxing, not PEDs.

Nicely worded.

[SweetHome_Bama]

Originally Posted by Scar

First of all, I believe everyone is on something in sports, you're only smart if you are able to escape it. As olympian Ben Johnson already stated "Everyone cheats", this isn't anything new to anyone that follows sports in depth.

Now to get on topic yet again. As I previously stated, Marquez never looked anything supernatural in this fight. What PEDs do is greatly enhance stamina, recovery and activity. It does NOT develop power overnight because if it did, almost ALL professional boxers would have great KO ratios. What Marquez did was hire a controversial(nothing different from others who escape their own formulas) yet experienced and great conditioner. Marquez' gameplan in this one was obvious, he wanted to use his usual counter punching but be more offensive than normal due to his power training. If anything, it looked like Marquez was tiring already from the pummeling he took, blood loss and cuts as the fight progressed. I didn't notice anything supernatural there that are clear cut indications of heavy PED usage, NONE of it whatsoever. I just saw a dedicated fighter fighting the same way he always did only more offensive than usual because it was clearly do or die for him this time, he was clearly opening up at some points to get knocked out his self. PEDs do NOT develop a solid chin overnight, otherwise as I said again, everyone will have an iron chin in this sport.

That's just my opinion on the subject and I'm sure many will agree that Marquez hardly looked supernatural compared to before. Was Tarver on PEDs in his rematch with Jones Jr. despite what happened in the first round?, was Martinez on PEDs in his rematch against Williams? I have FAR more examples to share. Pacquiao got caught cold by a punch he didn't expect, it happens in this sport and shouldn't come as a surprise. What happened here is Boxing, not PEDs.

PEDs didn't develop his power overnight, he has been with Angel for a year now or more, since the 3rd Marquez/Manny fight.

Marquez didn't look like he was triing from his work at all, he was tiring because his nose was broken and had blood most likely blocking his breating.

Tarver didn't follow Roy up from WW in the span of 3 years to with his KO power rising through the weight classes. Tarver also never was in a situation where as they rose through the weightclasses as pros and fought each other than he was never able to actually hurt Roy the level that he did in the 2nd fight and KO him on a punch he regularly lands on him.

No one said Marquez doesn't have skill, the only thing I say is Marquez had help of the chemical kind in putting on mass to function at 147.

[thejokerswild]

Originally Posted by Smokin' Joe

You get the overriding feeling that if it wasn't Pacquiao on the end of this, there wouldn't be a word about it. Can understand that in a way, he's a likable guy, but it's not justification for accusing a fighter.

Pacman has been on the end of a bitter steroids slur campaign for 2 years.

Add to that, his body didn't look half as bulked as like JMM.

[SweetHome_Bama]

Honestly I think Manny has been tapering off the PEDs since the Floyd shit.

[bazza12]

Originally Posted by Scar

First of all, I believe everyone is on something in sports, you're only smart if you are able to escape it. As olympian Ben Johnson already stated "Everyone cheats", this isn't anything new to anyone that follows sports in depth.

Now to get on topic yet again. As I previously stated, Marquez never looked anything supernatural in this fight. What PEDs do is greatly enhance stamina, recovery and activity. It does NOT develop power overnight because if it did, almost ALL professional boxers would have great KO ratios. What Marquez did was hire a controversial(nothing different from others who escape their own formulas) yet experienced and great conditioner. Marquez' gameplan in this one was obvious, he wanted to use his usual counter punching but be more offensive than normal due to his power training. If anything, it looked like Marquez was tiring already from the pummeling he took, blood loss and cuts as the fight progressed. I didn't notice anything supernatural there that are clear cut indications of heavy PED usage, NONE of it whatsoever. I just saw a dedicated fighter fighting the same way he always did only more offensive than usual because it was clearly do or die for him this time, he was clearly opening up at some points to get knocked out his self. PEDs do NOT develop a solid chin overnight, otherwise as I said again, everyone will have an iron chin in this sport.

That's just my opinion on the subject and I'm sure many will agree that Marquez hardly looked supernatural compared to before. Was Tarver on PEDs in his rematch with Jones Jr. despite what happened in the first round?, was Martinez on PEDs in his rematch against Williams? I have FAR more examples to share. Pacquiao got caught cold by a punch he didn't expect, it happens in this sport and shouldn't come as a surprise. What happened here is Boxing, not PEDs.

I have been siding with the suspicious minds on this thread, but this is a good post.

[Daruf]

I honestly do not understand the people that are so amazed by JMMs physique, if you compare him to when he fought floyd.
He was about the same weight except a few pounds flabbier.

ANYBODY at almost any age can lose 4 or 5lb of fat in a month without the help of a professional and gain those lbs back in muscle in another maybe 2 if you have bad genetics.
Especially when you are new to weightlifting and you still get the newbie gains.

If he was on PEDs or not who knows but the physique he got is incredibly easy to attain for someone with the slightest bit of dedication.