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Old 12-09-2012, 03:35 PM   #1
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James DeGale vs James Toney @ SMW

James Toney never really fought many good fighters at SMW when he was a world champ at the weight, but the one time he fought a fighter with fast hands and Olympic pedigree, he was soundly beaten.
Now DeGale is still young in his career, but imagine if he was given the opportunity to fight for a world title against prime SMW Toney.
James DeGale has fast hands and is an Olympic gold medallist.

Who do you think would win?

I could see DeGale landing fast combinations and uppercuts for a very clear 118/110 sort of victory, though the fight would have to be at SMW.

What do you think?
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James DeGale vs James Toney @ SMW

James Toney never really fought many good fighters at SMW when he was a world champ at the weight, but the one time he fought a fighter with fast hands and Olympic pedigree, he was soundly beaten.
Now DeGale is still young in his career, but imagine if he was given the opportunity to fight for a world title against prime SMW Toney.
James DeGale has fast hands and is an Olympic gold medallist.

Who do you think would win?

I could see DeGale landing fast combinations and uppercuts for a very clear 118/110 sort of victory, though the fight would have to be at SMW.

What do you think?


The style is terrible for Toney, with Degale's fast hands and movement. DeGale is still green at this point, but if he develops into the fighter he can be, that would be a long night for James Toney
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toney within 6.....easy.

toney had a good run at 168. williams,dewitt,little,barkley even the other fighters in between where solid fighters.

degale has some skills and good athletic groundbase. but he takes a few many shots can get countered by his lazy punches, his not truly hard one shot cant keep toney back and he doesnt have the workrate to nullify toneys lackadaisical style.

nothing that degale has can stop toney.
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The style is terrible for Toney, with Degale's fast hands and movement. DeGale is still green at this point, but if he develops into the fighter he can be, that would be a long night for James Toney
Agreed. DeGale is still fresh, but you can see him coming along.
DeGale has a style that would trouble any SMW, even if he couldnt beat every SMW.
Against Toney, DeGale would box rings around him
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Degale outworks Toney and would take him apart in the pocket with crisp combinations. However, i don't think Degale has the power to KO Toney so i think your probably looking at a unanimous decision around 116-112 on the cards imo.
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what the **** is wrong wit all yall!!?!??!
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toney within 6.....easy.

toney had a good run at 168. williams,dewitt,little,barkley even the other fighters in between where solid fighters.

degale has some skills and good athletic groundbase. but he takes a few many shots can get countered by his lazy punches, his not truly hard one shot cant keep toney back and he doesnt have the workrate to nullify toneys lackadaisical style.

nothing that degale has can stop toney.

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Degale outworks Toney and would take him apart in the pocket with crisp combinations. However, i don't think Degale has the power to KO Toney so i think your probably looking at a unanimous decision around 116-112 on the cards imo.
Your're right. It would be points. Toney has a good chin, but DeGale would out speed, out slick and out land Toney
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DeGale gets stopped...in impressive fashion, and comparing him to Roy Jones is a huge insult to Jones. Jones is an A+ talent. DeGale is looking ordinary against 35 year old Colombian club fighters
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toney within 6.....easy.

toney had a good run at 168. williams,dewitt,little,barkley even the other fighters in between where solid fighters.

degale has some skills and good athletic groundbase. but he takes a few many shots can get countered by his lazy punches, his not truly hard one shot cant keep toney back and he doesnt have the workrate to nullify toneys lackadaisical style.

nothing that degale has can stop toney.
look at the level Toney was fighting at, when SMW champ

1993 he wins the title from iran barkley a fighter who years earlier was blown away by nigel benn in 1 round and pummelled to a loss by a shot roberto duran barkley went onto lose 11 out of 25 fights following this fight and never beat anyone who was remotely good in doing so,the guy was so desperate he was even plying his trade as a HW in the late 90's against the likes of berbick and they say this era is a joke

govonor chambers a guy with a career record of 9 wins 7 losses, all 3 fights prior to toney were ko losses!

ricky thomas: won 11 lost 14,the 4 fights he had prior to toney all losses!

glenn thomas:won 29 lost 8, lost to roy jones prior to toney and finished his career with a first round ko loss to jeff lacy.

danny garcia: won 30 lost 22, was coming off losses to chris pyatt (a steve collins victim) lamar parks etc

larry prather: won 19 lost 24,lost his last 5 fights prior to the toney fight even losing to nicky piper

tony thornton: won 37 lost 7,lost to chris eubank a year earlier.

anthony hembrick: won 31 lost 8,lost to maske prior to toney and orlin norris a year earlier.

tim littles: won 27 lost 3,maybe one of his better wins,had fought mainly bums with the exception of a close UD over frankie liles,went onto lose to frankie liles in a 2nd contest following the toney fight.

vinsom durham: won 21 lost 37 enough said.

charles williams: won 37 lost 7 drew 3,lost to maske prior to toney.
(this post was improvised from ESB great Silencer, on one of his great threads)and finally the Jones fight and, That was Jones big SMW victory where Toney was alledgedly weight weakend, other than that Jones didnt do much at SMW.
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DeGale gets stopped...in impressive fashion, and comparing him to Roy Jones is a huge insult to Jones. Jones is an A+ talent. DeGale is looking ordinary against 35 year old Colombian club fighters

By 'looking ordinary' you mean winning every round, rocking the guy several times and scoring a knockdown against a guy who's mixed it with world class opponents?
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look at the level Toney was fighting at, when SMW champ

1993 he wins the title from iran barkley a fighter who years earlier was blown away by nigel benn in 1 round and pummelled to a loss by a shot roberto duran barkley went onto lose 11 out of 25 fights following this fight and never beat anyone who was remotely good in doing so,the guy was so desperate he was even plying his trade as a HW in the late 90's against the likes of berbick and they say this era is a joke

govonor chambers a guy with a career record of 9 wins 7 losses, all 3 fights prior to toney were ko losses!

ricky thomas: won 11 lost 14,the 4 fights he had prior to toney all losses!

glenn thomas:won 29 lost 8, lost to roy jones prior to toney and finished his career with a first round ko loss to jeff lacy.

danny garcia: won 30 lost 22, was coming off losses to chris pyatt (a steve collins victim) lamar parks etc

larry prather: won 19 lost 24,lost his last 5 fights prior to the toney fight even losing to nicky piper

tony thornton: won 37 lost 7,lost to chris eubank a year earlier.

anthony hembrick: won 31 lost 8,lost to maske prior to toney and orlin norris a year earlier.

tim littles: won 27 lost 3,maybe one of his better wins,had fought mainly bums with the exception of a close UD over frankie liles,went onto lose to frankie liles in a 2nd contest following the toney fight.

vinsom durham: won 21 lost 37 enough said.

charles williams: won 37 lost 7 drew 3,lost to maske prior to toney.
(this post was improvised from ESB great Silencer, on one of his great threads)and finally the Jones fight and, That was Jones big SMW victory where Toney was alledgedly weight weakend, other than that Jones didnt do much at SMW.

OMFG That has got to be the most pathetic level of competition a world champion has ever faced, Toney is an absolute ****ing disgrace to boxing
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what the **** is wrong wit all yall!!?!??!
Your're in the minority here.
the name Toney seems more powerful than what he actually did. At SMW it wasnt good. DeGale is just all wrong for him
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DeGale gets stopped...in impressive fashion, and comparing him to Roy Jones is a huge insult to Jones. Jones is an A+ talent. DeGale is looking ordinary against 35 year old Colombian club fighters
Its an honour for Jones to be compared to DeGale. DeGale was an Olympic Gold medallist, Jones a Silver medallist.
There has never been a question mark with DeGale with regards to cheating that I know of.
You come out saying DeGale looked ordinary when Toney lost to Thadzi, and couldnt beat Williams, then look at the Tiberi fight . Degale walks it against Toney
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By 'looking ordinary' you mean winning every round, rocking the guy several times and scoring a knockdown against a guy who's mixed it with world class opponents?
you just destroyed southpaw with that post, its clear to see that southpaw is nothing but an irrational hater, i'm gonna put him on ignore
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look at the level Toney was fighting at, when SMW champ

1993 he wins the title from iran barkley a fighter who years earlier was blown away by nigel benn in 1 round and pummelled to a loss by a shot roberto duran barkley went onto lose 11 out of 25 fights following this fight and never beat anyone who was remotely good in doing so,the guy was so desperate he was even plying his trade as a HW in the late 90's against the likes of berbick and they say this era is a joke

govonor chambers a guy with a career record of 9 wins 7 losses, all 3 fights prior to toney were ko losses!

ricky thomas: won 11 lost 14,the 4 fights he had prior to toney all losses!

glenn thomas:won 29 lost 8, lost to roy jones prior to toney and finished his career with a first round ko loss to jeff lacy.

danny garcia: won 30 lost 22, was coming off losses to chris pyatt (a steve collins victim) lamar parks etc

larry prather: won 19 lost 24,lost his last 5 fights prior to the toney fight even losing to nicky piper

tony thornton: won 37 lost 7,lost to chris eubank a year earlier.

anthony hembrick: won 31 lost 8,lost to maske prior to toney and orlin norris a year earlier.

tim littles: won 27 lost 3,maybe one of his better wins,had fought mainly bums with the exception of a close UD over frankie liles,went onto lose to frankie liles in a 2nd contest following the toney fight.

vinsom durham: won 21 lost 37 enough said.

charles williams: won 37 lost 7 drew 3,lost to maske prior to toney.
(this post was improvised from ESB great Silencer, on one of his great threads)and finally the Jones fight and, That was Jones big SMW victory where Toney was alledgedly weight weakend, other than that Jones didnt do much at SMW.




Looking at that stunning level of opposition faced, we can safely say DeGale is not worthy of being matched up with Toney. What has he done that puts him on a level with the likes of Govonor Chambers and Vinsom Durham?
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