If Pacquaio is so Overrated, Why does JMM get Credit? - Page 2

Charlie · 12-10-2012, 07:36 PM

It amazes me that anyone can really say knocking Pacquiao out COLD in 6 rounds doesn't deserve to be recognised as anything other than an amazing win.

Just because he got caught with a shot doesn't mean it was a complete fucking fluke you bunch of retards. Marquez was falling behind on points but he was patient and made the adjustment early from throwing a straight right hand at Pacquiao to an overhand right and once he connected with it in the third round and he knew he had the power to knock down Pacquiao, he threw it more often and you could see him trying to land it. He did so at the end of round 6 and the rest is history. Marquez is a great fighter with a record that doesn't tell the whole story of how great he really is, people need to recognise that beating pac the way he did and in the fashion he did is nothing short of an amazing win, DEAL WITH IT.

RJJFan · 12-10-2012, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Charlie

It amazes me that anyone can really say knocking Pacquiao out COLD in 6 rounds doesn't deserve to be recognised as anything other than an amazing win.

Just because he got caught with a shot doesn't mean it was a complete fucking fluke you bunch of retards. Marquez was falling behind on points but he was patient and made the adjustment early from throwing a straight right hand at Pacquiao to an overhand right and once he connected with it in the third round and he knew he had the power to knock down Pacquiao, he threw it more often and you could see him trying to land it. He did so at the end of round 6 and the rest is history. Marquez is a great fighter with a record that doesn't tell the whole story of how great he really is, people need to recognise that beating pac the way he did and in the fashion he did is nothing short of an amazing win, DEAL WITH IT.

The point of this thread is if Pacquaio is such a fraud and media creation as many posters on this board seem to think, why does JMM get so much credit?

pngo · 12-10-2012, 07:42 PM

He's overrated because some people thought he was up there with guys like Whitaker, SRL, etc in the ATG list.

Charlie · 12-10-2012, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by RJJFan

The point of this thread is if Pacquaio is such a fraud and media creation as many posters on this board seem to think, why does JMM get so much credit?

Anyone who isn't an idiot can see this is a great win. You're basically asking the group of people who for one reason or another want to discredit a Marquez win to tell you why, when the only real answer to that is that they wanna hate on him, its a loaded question.

RJJFan · 12-10-2012, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Charlie

Anyone who isn't an idiot can see this is a great win. You're basically asking the group of people who for one reason or another want to discredit a Marquez win to tell you why, when the only real answer to that is that they wanna hate on him, its a loaded question.

Its a great win because a great fighter beat another great fighter but going by this board, it seems as though JMM beat a cab driver last Sat.

LoRd_inFamousX1 · 12-10-2012, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by gatorbama

Overrated doesn't mean that you suck or is not good. PAC is good but he is overrated due to awesome promotion and the right type of opponents. The right opponents with a certain style will make anybody look better than what they Truly are. I think manny walks that tightrope of being overrated.

It's like Freddy roach... I think he is a good trainer but definately overrated. Naz also

Charlie · 12-10-2012, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by RJJFan

Its a great win because a great fighter beat another great fighter but going by this board, it seems as though JMM beat a cab driver last Sat.

You've been here long enough you should know what the general forum gets like.

o_money · 12-10-2012, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by RJJFan

90% of this board seems to think Pacquaio is a fraud or a media creation. If that is so, why would JMM get so much credit for beating Pacquaio?

Its not 90% of the board that thinks pac is a fraud. Its 90% of the loudest most obnoxious idiots.

birdhead · 12-10-2012, 08:33 PM

For destroying the myth once and for all

KnuckleUp99 · 12-10-2012, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by boxsensei

Pac is overrated as shit, but that doesn't mean he sucks. He wasn't the fighter of the decade, ATG, super elite p4p monster that people tried to make him out to be. That's why people called him overrated.

Floyd is over rated by some....so are the Klitchkos...Pac too...but most rate them in the proper perspective. Pac was fighter of the decade for a reason....it was based on who he beat and how he beat them and Pac had an amazing run. Pac is a legit ATG and former P4P king. You can't take away something Pac earned just becuase you don't like him.

RSBonos · 12-10-2012, 09:03 PM

Marquez's win over Pac > any of Mayweather's victories. Easy.

boxsensei · 12-10-2012, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by birdhead

For destroying the myth once and for all

Florez · 12-10-2012, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Nonito Smoak

It's the flavor of the week. This is ESB, you know this. Just like how last week, it was that one of Mayweather and Pac's 5 best wins each are gutter trash since Cotto went on to lose afterward.

Just further proof that how we value active fighters during their career is the most fluid and changing thing out there... This Saturday will dramatically affect Pac's legacy (as it should).

Affect Pac's legacy?

Manfred · 12-10-2012, 09:23 PM

Let me go on record and say that Bradley is not great and never will be. He is just a solid good fighter. He does not posess the attributes of greatness. Packie is above average but not great. His aggression, speed and power puts him a notch above the average good fighter. Marquez is great because he has reached the status of master. He has mastered the art of the counterpunch. There is no one better in the game today and his skills can be judged against fighters throughout history and will be deemed worthy. You add that to his dedication, his technical skill, his mental approach, his grit, his personality and his power. Most, which are elite and all above average. The man is a great fighter.

Bogotazo · 12-10-2012, 09:23 PM

People act like countering and out-boxing Pacquiao is the norm because he has a few losses against other ATG's.

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Charlie Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Nottingham, UK Posts: 3,582 vCash: 825	Re: If Pacquaio is so Overrated, Why does JMM get Credit? It amazes me that anyone can really say knocking Pacquiao out COLD in 6 rounds doesn't deserve to be recognised as anything other than an amazing win. Just because he got caught with a shot doesn't mean it was a complete fucking fluke you bunch of retards. Marquez was falling behind on points but he was patient and made the adjustment early from throwing a straight right hand at Pacquiao to an overhand right and once he connected with it in the third round and he knew he had the power to knock down Pacquiao, he threw it more often and you could see him trying to land it. He did so at the end of round 6 and the rest is history. Marquez is a great fighter with a record that doesn't tell the whole story of how great he really is, people need to recognise that beating pac the way he did and in the fashion he did is nothing short of an amazing win, DEAL WITH IT.
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pngo #1Contender ESB Addict Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 3,882 vCash: 600	Re: If Pacquaio is so Overrated, Why does JMM get Credit? He's overrated because some people thought he was up there with guys like Whitaker, SRL, etc in the ATG list.
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birdhead Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 633 vCash: 1000	Re: If Pacquaio is so Overrated, Why does JMM get Credit? For destroying the myth once and for all
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RSBonos Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 1,567 vCash: 1000	Re: If Pacquaio is so Overrated, Why does JMM get Credit? Marquez's win over Pac > any of Mayweather's victories. Easy.
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Manfred Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 2,386 vCash: 500	Re: If Pacquaio is so Overrated, Why does JMM get Credit? Let me go on record and say that Bradley is not great and never will be. He is just a solid good fighter. He does not posess the attributes of greatness. Packie is above average but not great. His aggression, speed and power puts him a notch above the average good fighter. Marquez is great because he has reached the status of master. He has mastered the art of the counterpunch. There is no one better in the game today and his skills can be judged against fighters throughout history and will be deemed worthy. You add that to his dedication, his technical skill, his mental approach, his grit, his personality and his power. Most, which are elite and all above average. The man is a great fighter.
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Bogotazo Amateur East Side VIP Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: New York Posts: 17,447 vCash: 294	Re: If Pacquaio is so Overrated, Why does JMM get Credit? People act like countering and out-boxing Pacquiao is the norm because he has a few losses against other ATG's.
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