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Old 04-23-2013, 02:48 PM   #1
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Which one is correct way to do right cross?

1)push from the back foot to rotate the hips
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2)turn your left hips first and rotate your body
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Old 04-23-2013, 06:32 PM   #2
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Which one is correct way to do right cross?

1)push from the back foot to rotate the hips
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2)turn your left hips first and rotate your body
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2is Better, but dont leave the Front Foot Heel on the floor lift slightly.it restricts the movement of the Hip. Plus cause Knee damage.
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Old 04-23-2013, 09:01 PM   #3
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The 2nd one is better but not quite right. You don't have to pivot your right foot like that to turn your hips. People do that because they lack the flexibility in their hips to properly rotate inwards. Many people pivot and it works fine but it should be as a result of hip movement not vice versa. I find when people learn it like that they tend to over emphasize the pivot which cause your back knee to point inwards which compromises balance.

If you can move your hips properly you can throw the cross while having your knees just slightly pointing away from each other which gives you better balance. Instead of pivoting try just lifting the right heel. So your weight starts on your back foot with the front foot heel raised. As you turn your hips over lift the right heel and come down on the left. Then reverse the process to return to your stance. As you get better its less exaggerated because you can transfer your weight from foot to foot with barely any movement.
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Old 04-23-2013, 09:14 PM   #4
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The pivot is essential, without it your hip movement is automatically restricted. It doesn't need to be overemphasized but it needs to be there.
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Old 04-24-2013, 03:11 AM   #5
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The 2nd one is better but not quite right. You don't have to pivot your right foot like that to turn your hips. People do that because they lack the flexibility in their hips to properly rotate inwards. Many people pivot and it works fine but it should be as a result of hip movement not vice versa. I find when people learn it like that they tend to over emphasize the pivot which cause your back knee to point inwards which compromises balance.

If you can move your hips properly you can throw the cross while having your knees just slightly pointing away from each other which gives you better balance. Instead of pivoting try just lifting the right heel. So your weight starts on your back foot with the front foot heel raised. As you turn your hips over lift the right heel and come down on the left. Then reverse the process to return to your stance. As you get better its less exaggerated because you can transfer your weight from foot to foot with barely any movement.
Problem, the Hips wont move on there own.
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Old 04-24-2013, 06:37 AM   #6
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The pivot is essential, without it your hip movement is automatically restricted. It doesn't need to be overemphasized but it needs to be there.
It's not incorrect but its not essential. You can rotate your hips without pivoting or lifting your heel.

When you rotate your hips to throw the right cross your moving your pelvis from a bladed stance to square stance which generates power and weight across your body to your front foot momentarily. That weight transfer is what creates power in a balanced way. The important part of that motion is your pelvis rotating around your lead leg (femur) so your upper body is becoming square with your opponent. Imagine trying to have the top of your rear hip bone come towards your lead leg. That motion is relatively unaffected by your rear foot pivoting.

The pivot does not actually add anything to the power, and what happens when your over emphasize it is you end up in an unbalanced position if you get countered at an angle. Think about the difference between being in a lunge position or a squat position and having someone try and push you over.

IE. Mayweather who has an excellent right hand.

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Not the best picture but think about Mayweather'ss usual bladed stance and then see how here his hips face his opponent. His left hip folding over the front leg.
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Old 04-24-2013, 06:46 AM   #7
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Check out this Mayweather video.

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At 1:24 can't see his feet but check out his right knee. Pointing outwards. Hard to do with a pivot.

1:29 you can see his feet well. Heel raises but stays inside his knees .

And at 3:19 which is hard to see but it's in slow motion so look at his right heel. Comes up but remains where it was horizontally.
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Old 04-24-2013, 07:41 AM   #8
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first too are shoulder shots with less power

the last one was hard because floyd used hattons forward motion, thats the point in counters, to come into shots.

All this punches are not with full force and are not technical, although are good to have in arsenal, you cant turn the heel+hips in every second of the fight.
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Old 04-24-2013, 09:13 AM   #9
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first too are shoulder shots with less power

the last one was hard because floyd used hattons forward motion, thats the point in counters, to come into shots.

All this punches are not with full force and are not technical, although are good to have in arsenal, you cant turn the heel+hips in every second of the fight.
Haha that is exactly the point. They may not look powerful but they are. Speed is power you get knocked out by the shots you don't see. And they are extremely technical thats why they work. It's not about winding up and throwing the hardest punch possible. It's about throwing the right punch at the right time without ever having to give up balance or sacrifice position.

And if you don't believe Floyd check out Joe Louis. I think he knows something about knock out power.

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Many examples in here but go to 2:10 to see the one punch knockout theres no pivot. I'm not saying it's wrong to pivot I do it sometimes as well, but you can achieve the same effect without it as well. And if you look at many "technical boxers" names like Rigondeaux, Mayweather, Louis, McCallum, SRL, you can see a lot of them throw there right cross as I described.
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Old 04-24-2013, 09:57 AM   #10
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yeah they throw it, but its not the same with and without foot pivot. with foot pivot, the punch is harder, more power and balance is better, but its not quick as shoulder punch of course.

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there is no point in putting videos because everyone knows that technically proper punch is with foot pivot. Its another story in fights, but i am sure that every pro would learn you to throw punch with foot pivot first.
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Old 04-24-2013, 05:41 PM   #11
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yeah they throw it, but its not the same with and without foot pivot. with foot pivot, the punch is harder, more power and balance is better, but its not quick as shoulder punch of course.

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there is no point in putting videos because everyone knows that technically proper punch is with foot pivot. Its another story in fights, but i am sure that every pro would learn you to throw punch with foot pivot first.
I don't see how that video is any different then the others. He might've pivoted very slightly more. Freeze frame :28 in the first vid. He raises his heel but his heel is still pointing inwards. Also Mansour is not on the technical level of any people that I mentioned. Like I said watch any of those guys and look at what they do.

And I think you have it opposite the more technical punch is without the pivot. In a fight sometimes the opportunity is there to reach for the knockout and people throw a LESS technical punch lunging after someone. Sometimes they get it and sometimes they get countered and knocked out them selves.

Also none of them are shoulder punches. Joe Louis didn't KO all those people shoulder punching. There hips turn there torso rotates all linking a chain of motion starting in your legs. And as I said try it out your self theres no way you have more balance in the position of a lunge versus a crouching position. And even if they were shoulder punching they'd still have more balance then during a pivoted punch.

Think about what direction force is moving when you pivot and how it really links the transfer of weight between front to back.

Also videos are a great way of learning from people better then you. You can watch any of those people in training and they throw the right hand the same way as in the fight. Are you really gonna say that we shouldn't look at some of the GOAT's techniques during a fight cause "its different in a fight and they don't throw punches properly" I'd say it's exactly opposite.
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Old 04-24-2013, 06:35 PM   #12
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Which one is correct way to do right cross?

1)push from the back foot to rotate the hips
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2)turn your left hips first and rotate your body
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Neither of these are particularly good. You could pick them to pieces but lets start at the finish. Neither seems to know the thumb up thump down method of throwing the right hand. All power punchers use this method and it was Emmanuel Stewart's bread and butter of teaching.
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Old 04-25-2013, 05:29 AM   #13
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Neither of these are particularly good. You could pick them to pieces but lets start at the finish. Neither seems to know the thumb up thump down method of throwing the right hand. All power punchers use this method and it was Emmanuel Stewart's bread and butter of teaching.
What is emmanuel stewart method?
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Old 04-25-2013, 07:26 AM   #14
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Which one is correct way to do right cross?

1)push from the back foot to rotate the hips
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2)turn your left hips first and rotate your body
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None.

It is kinda stupid of you to learn from these so called and self-proclaimed experts.

learn from the best:

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Old 04-25-2013, 09:20 AM   #15
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None.

It is kinda stupid of you to learn from these so called and self-proclaimed experts.

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The the guy in first link (i.e. Fran Sands "myboxingcoach") is not a self proclaimed expert. He's an experienced and respected am boxing coach from a well known club in Liverpool.
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