Why is Pacquaio still in your top 5 P4P?

[Round1gymDC]

Analyzing Pac's last 3 fights. They were fighters who had to move up in weight to face him. I had him losing 2 out of the 3 fights. If you're bringing guys up in weight and you're not beating them convincingly (minus Bradley) you can't be in the top 3 fighter out. I also thinking getting KO badly has to take you out the top 5.

Just wondering how people still have Pac in their top 5 P4P list. I would like for you to make your argument. Nothing personal it's all fantasy shit anyway.

I had Pac at 5 before this fight. My list looked like this.

Floyd
Ward
Martinez
Marquez
Pac

Now....

Floyd
Ward
Marquez
Martinez
Donaire

[Babality]

He actually looked great in that fight before the KO. Lets see Marquez beat someone not named Pac at 147. Who else has Marquez beat to be higher than Pac. Pac beat Bradley in my eyes. Martinez is not higher than Pac either. Ward? He's great a fighter for sure. I still have Pac top 5. He got KTFO, but not made to look like a bum, he actually fought really well and was winning handily.

[megavolt]

he's not..

[Round1gymDC]

Smart man

[C.J.]

Originally Posted by Round1gymDC

Analyzing Pac's last 3 fights. They were fighters who had to move up in weight to face him. I had him losing 2 out of the 3 fights. If you're bringing guys up in weight and you're not beating them convincingly (minus Bradley) you can't be in the top 3 fighter out. I also thinking getting KO badly has to take you out the top 5.

Just wondering how people still have Pac in their top 5 P4P list. I would like for you to make your argument. Nothing personal it's all fantasy shit anyway.

I had Pac at 5 before this fight. My list looked like this.

Floyd
Ward
Martinez
Marquez
Pac

Now....

Floyd
Ward
Marquez
Martinez
Donaire

Pacman belongs in top five The part that I dont understand is Punk Mayweather #1 WQhats he done recently except cold cock a defenceless opponent like the street punk he is

[Round1gymDC]

Originally Posted by C.J.

Pacman belongs in top five The part that I dont understand is Punk Mayweather #1 WQhats he done recently except cold cock a defenceless opponent like the street punk he is

feel free to rearrange the list. I had him behind Martinez before the Cotto fight @ 154

I give credit to anybody who moves up in weight and wins a title

[Vidic]

I'm not sure why he shouldn't be

He was top 5 before he lost to Marquez in their third fight, and since then has beaten undefeated p4p fighter Timothy Bradley, and lost to marquez again (who I had number 2 anyway)

A loss to a p4p fighter (who was arguably higher than you anyway) doesn remove you from the top 5

[NeckBreaknAiken]

I think you have to be pretty silly to keep Pac in the Top 5.


He has never looked good as of late at 147. Bradley never was top 20 in my opinion so his controversial loss to him doesn't do much to help Pac, regardless of how you scored the fight.


There is no way he belongs above Floyd, Martinez, Ward, Donaire, and especially Marquez. You can't just fucking overlook the results of what just happened because Pac was looking good before the KO. KO's happen, and a lot of times, the guy who gets KO'd was "looking good before it happened."


He's still a great fighter, but he doesn;t belong in the Top 5 right now, in my opinion.

[megavolt]

Originally Posted by NeckBreaknAiken

Bradley never was top 20 in my opinion so his controversial loss to him doesn't do much to help Pac, regardless of how you scored the fight.

???????

He was the man at 140 before moving up to fight Pac. Bradley's higher than Ward.

[Round1gymDC]

Originally Posted by Vidic

I'm not sure why he shouldn't be

He was top 5 before he lost to Marquez in their third fight, and since then has beaten undefeated p4p fighter Timothy Bradley, and lost to marquez again (who I had number 2 anyway)

A loss to a p4p fighter (who was arguably higher than you anyway) doesn remove you from the top 5

It does when he moved up and beat you. PAC was a full 147 pounder Marquez wasn't. If you move a guy up and get ko you should be dropped out top 5

[NeckBreaknAiken]

Originally Posted by megavolt

???????

He was the man at 140 before moving up to fight Pac. Bradley's higher than Ward.

That ni99a is trash. Period. Always has been, always will be. And for the record Pac cut his mothafuckin ass... thoroughly.

[elchivito]

He lost his top 5 position in the 3rd Marquez fight. Too many people here basing their rankings on popularity this isn't a popularity contest there are more deserving fighters busting their chops beating the cream of the crop. I still think Jmm and Manny pretty evenly matched, but Jmm is still slightly the better of the 2. Drew once, beat Pacman by decision twice, and finally erased doubts by koing a superb berserker version of Manny Marquez did what Floyd and other welterweights were supposed to do, but havent or couldnt. Based on Manny's performance, tho he lost, he looked better than he has in years. I'm still deliberating if Floyd should still be #1 or Jmm should, but for now Jmm does deserve it. And Manny being top 5 I wouldnt fully agree when he lost 3 straight IMO, but 2 were clearly to the same fighter about a year from one another.

1. Jmm
2. Floyd
3. Martinez
4. Ward
5. Mares/Donaire

[Nonito Smoak]

Mayweather
Marquez
Donaire
Ward
Sergio
Wladimir
Pacquiao*
Bradley
Vitali
Froch

Still undecided on where Pac falls. Maybe behind Bradley, honestly...

[NeckBreaknAiken]

Originally Posted by elchivito

He lost his top 5 position in the 3rd Marquez fight. Too many people here basing their rankings on popularity this isn't a popularity contest there are more deserving fighters busting their chops beating the cream of the crop. I still think Jmm and Manny pretty evenly matched, but Jmm is still slightly the better of the 2. Drew once, beat Pacman by decision twice, and finally erased doubts by koing a superb berserker version of Manny Marquez did what Floyd and other welterweights were supposed to do, but havent or couldnt. Based on Manny's performance, tho he lost, he looked better than he has in years. I'm still deliberating if Floyd should still be #1 or Jmm should, but for now Jmm does deserve it. And Manny being top 5 I wouldnt fully agree when he lost 3 straight IMO, but 2 were clearly to the same fighter about a year from one another.

1. Jmm
2. Floyd
3. Martinez
4. Ward
5. Mares/Donaire

Very reasonable list.

I would put ward above Martinez though.

[chimba]

Whats surprising is that Viloria isnt in the top 10. I didnt even see him in the top 15 on espns list.

Now what does a fighter need to do? The guys beaten everyone.