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Old 12-11-2012, 08:15 PM   #1
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Default KO aside, this shouldn't diminish Pac's legacy much.

Who in their right mind willingly drinks their poison 4 times? A boxer's legacy should be valued at what he has done, rather than any voodoo conjecture about his ability.

I have much greater respect for fighters who settle their controversies and put questions away than those who get gifts and leave the score at that.




tl;dr- getting KTFO didn't enhance his legacy obviously, but it did boost my respect for him since not many these days are willing to do that
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Old 12-11-2012, 08:17 PM   #2
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Default Re: KO aside, this shouldn't diminish Pac's legacy much.

It doesn't diminish his legacy as a warrior. But it is a loss on his record and a convincing one against his rival. But there is a way back. Time will tell if Pac can win that way back
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Old 12-11-2012, 08:18 PM   #3
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Default Re: KO aside, this shouldn't diminish Pac's legacy much.

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It doesn't diminish his legacy as a warrior. But it is a loss on his record and a convincing one against his rival. But there is a way back. Time will tell if Pac can win that way back
This.

And it was a devastating KO. Against a 39 year old. Who was 0-2 in his previous two fights at WW.
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Old 12-11-2012, 08:18 PM   #4
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Default Re: KO aside, this shouldn't diminish Pac's legacy much.

both pac an marquez put it on the line in that fight an one of them was going to get knocked out it just happened to be pac who got hit with the killer shot 1st that is all after his career is all said an done he will still go down as an all time great.
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Old 12-11-2012, 08:19 PM   #5
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Default Re: KO aside, this shouldn't diminish Pac's legacy much.

I think had he not preformed the way He did, it would have a little. But He was just as fast and even more furious than I've seen him but unfortunately the guy is just completely lacking upstairs.

I may be crazy but I think this may somewhat resurrect him. Hes only 33.
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Old 12-11-2012, 08:21 PM   #6
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Default Re: KO aside, this shouldn't diminish Pac's legacy much.

I give him props for remaking he fight a year after their last bout. The other two are so far behind, it seemed more like he was avoiding his "poison".
Would've given him even more credit had he not tried to bully Marquez with the weight. After Pacquiao/Marquez 3, it was a more than fair compromise to make the fight at 140.
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Old 12-11-2012, 08:22 PM   #7
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His legacy is intact, but I agree with Box247. It is a big loss to a rival whom he built his legacy on and a fellow HOF fighter. It isn't everyday you see a great fighter out cold like that. I have watched that on youtube in every available language they have. To be honest the event and the way it happened was amazing. With Curry you could see his eye swelling. With Duran against Hearns, Duran was taking a beating and ready to go. This one was out of the blue and Pacman was winning. I think he can avoid a knockout but beating Juan might be tough. In a way it is like Hearns/Barkley. And people will disagree with me. Hearns could beat Barkley anytime he opened up like Pac can beat Marquez. But now Pac opens up he gets countered, same as Hearns is Barkley. That is why Tommy hgad to fight inside in his last fight with Barkley and lost a decision. Hearns didn't have a choice. Fight cautious yet pick his big punches in an inside war or maybe win easier but leave himself more in the way of big punches. Styles make fight, and I always said JMM had a good style for him, but Pacman is greater if you look at resume. I think Pacman should come back and avoid JMM, but now everyone who fights him will be looking for the right hand counter on him and to test his chin.
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Old 12-11-2012, 08:24 PM   #8
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Default Re: KO aside, this shouldn't diminish Pac's legacy much.

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This.

And it was a devastating KO. Against a 39 year old. Who was 0-2 in his previous two fights at WW.
oh so NOW it counts as a loss
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I think had he not preformed the way He did, it would have a little. But He was just as fast and even more furious than I've seen him but unfortunately the guy is just completely lacking upstairs.

I may be crazy but I think this may somewhat resurrect him. Hes only 33.
He has seldom ever showed any actual "ring IQ" in any fight. He just gets through on heart/willpower/motor/whatever you want to call it.
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This.

And it was a devastating KO. Against a 39 year old. Who was 0-2 in his previous two fights at WW.
The KO was bad. But it isn't as if he was getting beaten throughout the fight. He was performing well and then it happened which is always a possibility in boxing the one punch KO
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Old 12-11-2012, 08:25 PM   #11
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oh so NOW it counts as a loss
I knew I should have said "(although I scored Pac/JMM III for JMM.)"

Either way, if I did, that would say less for Pacquiao when analyzing the rivalry/past year +.
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Old 12-11-2012, 08:26 PM   #12
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He has seldom ever showed any actual "ring IQ" in any fight. He just gets through on heart/willpower/motor/whatever you want to call it.
That's more like Gatti. Pac =/= Gatti lol
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The KO was bad. But it isn't as if he was getting beaten throughout the fight. He was performing well and then it happened which is always a possibility in boxing the one punch KO
But it wasn't.

Pac hit the deck hard as hell in round 3, if you remember.

And nobody saw the stoppage coming in the last two minutes of round 5 when JMM stunned Pac hard a few times after he had gotten dropped.
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Old 12-11-2012, 08:30 PM   #14
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Default Re: KO aside, this shouldn't diminish Pac's legacy much.

True, Pac knows all too well how tough fights with Marquez are and to willingly go against against someone you know will give you a tough fight 4 times is something to be respected, regardless of the outcome. Especially if you're the one who's officially won all the previous 3 bouts.
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Old 12-11-2012, 08:30 PM   #15
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He has seldom ever showed any actual "ring IQ" in any fight. He just gets through on heart/willpower/motor/whatever you want to call it.
Well the funny thing is that this was the smartest Ive seen him with JMM. Look at the 3rd round KD. That was a ****ng haymaker and Pac was moving towards it. He loses concentration in there.
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