Now who's the leader of their generation: Pacquiao or Mayweather?

[Juiceboxbiotch]

Originally Posted by Bill Butcher

Neither of them, the 3 Mexicans are the greatest of the generation (Morales, Marquez & Barrera) Those guys did there thing in the ring, not outside it.

Pacquiao fought and beat all 3.

[Nonito Smoak]

Originally Posted by Juiceboxbiotch

Pacquiao fought and beat all 3.

But how about where they were in their careers?

-Prime, dominant Barrera I. A++ win.
-Barrera II. Kinda pointless. Not as though Barrera was at a better place in his career.

-Morales I. Past prime. Loss.
-Morales II. Further past prime and a loss in the interim. Good revenge though.
-Morales III. Oh come on, not a top tier victory.

-Marquez I. Draw. Super epic.
-Marquez II 4 years later. SD. Epic, could've been scored to either by 1 point, anything more is questionable to me.
-Marquez III 3 years later. Marquez was 38. Fighting at WW for just the second time with no wins there. 2/3 of viewers score for Marquez. Nearly 100% of current or former boxers score for Marquez.
-Marquez IV the next year. Marquez was 39. Still without a victory at WW. KTFO.

Names don't mean everything.

[Box702]

Originally Posted by Nonito Smoak

So.... Pacquiao/Casamayor/Diaz X2/Salido/Katsidis/Gainer/Barrera/(huge drop off) are better fighters than the guys on Pac and May's resume?

You literally wanting to do the "List their 12 best wins" thing?

Coming form a nuthugging nonita fan doesn't mean shit.Pac/may carefully pick their fights Respected floyd when he fought the best at a younger age.Pac he's catchweight king don't bring his fraud ass up before expose his career further more.I'd say floyd by a hair but you could argue Marquez matches him. Fighting prime pac 4x is better than anything in floyds career resume fact.You can't judge fighter on just resume Marquez was kept away form many of the cash cow stars because he was a threat.Were as in Floyd/pac stayed away from them.Pac/floyd 2 really good fighters future hall of famers but media/fans overrate them vastly.Floyd/Marquez then everybody else.

[Bill Butcher]

Originally Posted by Juiceboxbiotch

Pacquiao fought and beat all 3.

He also lost to the best version of Morales he ever faced & lost to Marquez at least 3 times.... fair enough, he fought the 3 Mexicans but he was 50% responsible for denying the fans the biggest fight of the generation & possibly all time, the Mexicans would never have humiliated themselves or disrespected the sport & the fans by acting out that absolute farce for 3 whole years. pac & floyd do not deserve to have threads made about them discussing ATGness because they acted the exact oposite of what a true ATG would have... see Leonard, Duran, Hearns, Hagler, Chavez, Whitaker etc to see how real p4p champions do it, those 2 are a disgrace & do not belong. Simple.

[bjl12]

Originally Posted by janeschicken

Quite fitting that you're posting wrestling photos, since I'm pretty sure that's how you came to be a fan of Floyd in the first place.

Otherwise, you would most assuredly realize we can do the same thing to Floyd's resume WITHOUT even looking behind the names.

Bruseles, Gatti, Mitchell and Judah off a loss, then fighting pretty much 1 time a year for the next six years.

Except Floyd's best wins are against people coming off career wins/performances. Gatti was certainly an important win, but by no means career defining.

Every notable win Pac has is circumstantial, occur in a way which is advantageous for him, and he still won't take a drug test

[Reppin501]

Originally Posted by Jak Boxer

His WW run has glaring holes . An undefeated Cotto, a still fresh / younger Shane Mosley, Margarito, P Williams, Pacquiao, etc were all active in the division while he was fighting at welterweight, and he fought none of them - at least not when they were anywhere near their best. Instead he 'retired' after fighting Hatton (a junior ww), came back and dragged a career featherweight up 2 weight divisions, took more vacations/retirements, avoided Pacquiao like the plague, rest is history.

Dude Manny didn't fight any of those cats either...lol, Imean Iguess you can make the case for Cotto, other than that...Shane/Margarito both beaten and past prime, Williams...lol obviously not, so why is Manny any better?

[tliang1000]

1 track mind. they only see shit for Pac and against Floyd. Reason bc they know Pac is not as good as floyd which is why day after day they are trying to discredit Floyd.

[Reppin501]

Originally Posted by PH|LLA

Pac is still the best of his generation. There is already a new generation in place now. What happens in december 2012 doesn't change what happened from 2001-2010. Fighters don't all age the same way just ask Roy Jones.

Lol...the best of his generation? SMFH...just wow! "fighters age different"? No, some fighters actually work on and perfect their craft, hence as their athletic ability begins to deminish they don't get sparked the **** out by 39 year old career LW's, and get written off as "finished" at 33 years old. Clearly he's not what he was made out to be (as many here have said for years), it doesn't mean he's not great...he's just not anything more than a sub elite boxer, who relied on athletic ability and carefully selected opponents to build his brand. I respect his contributions and accomplishments but he's not on Mayweathers level and that's fairly obvious to anyone with one sliver of objectivity.

[BlueBottle]

I am Pacman fan, but to be honest Manny is more of a leader. I think of Floyd of as an individualist then a leader. Look at the Manny's interest in politics. I just don't think Floyd would be interested in that type of stuff. Look at Vitales interest in politics. He is a leader also.

[SUGAR J]

Best and most dominant fighter since Tyson, Floyd a master of his craft a boxing genius, anyone who thinks their is a better boxer/fighter "knows shit about boxing".

[MAG1965]

Manny is the leader. Floyd cannot claim to be the leader with the way he has fought.

[SUGAR J]

Originally Posted by MAG1965

Manny is the leader. Floyd cannot claim to be the leader with the way he has fought.

Does Floyd need to be knocked out cold for 3 mins to qualify.

[Leonit]

Originally Posted by PityTheFool

Whatever your position,Manny gave the fans a better deal but most of us know that even in 2009,Floyd was always going to beat him.

The best of the generation has to be the one who was undefeated and would most likely win.It's not as if Floyd has fought bum after bum.They have common opponents FFS.

Leonard lost though. Who was the best of his generation. Duran?? He lost too. Your comment is made to serve Floyd example.

[Asterion]

Maybe it will be like Leonard/Duran in the late 70s and 80s??

I mean Mayweather would be a paralel to Leonard: the best in the actual fights, a flashy celebrity, a great boxer.

While Pac would be Duran...He lost several times but is still considered the best P4P.

[The Mongoose]

Originally Posted by PetethePrince

Steve Nash has better defense.

Nah seriously MW, awful comparison.

All three are way off, I've gave him and the other dude that agreed hell but they have yet to respond.