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Old 12-12-2012, 01:53 PM   #121
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While Floyd's been avoiding Pac
They avoided each other. Nine months for a cut to heal. Unwilling to take blood tests. Outdoors arena for a boxing match. The "dodging" has been a mutual ordeal indeed.

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he's continued fighting bigger guys, taking punishment and getting older.
JMM x 2 and Bradley are NOT bigger guys. Since you claim Manny and Floyd to be the same size, then let's examine the size of Floyd's recent opponents. Ortiz / Cotto are much bigger over JMM / Bradley - unquestionably.
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Old 12-12-2012, 01:53 PM   #122
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Old 12-12-2012, 01:55 PM   #123
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Using there welterweight achievements, both are excellent.

Especially when one considers that Manny is really a featherweight and Mayweather a Lightweight.

I don't rate the in between divisions, boxing has to many.

They both exceeded what was required or expected of them.

And now JMM has cemented himself in there same tier.
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Old 12-12-2012, 01:57 PM   #124
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A shot mosley, victor dumb dumb ortiz and a shot cotto is floyd's legacy so far.

He can redeem himself with another boring victory over the gost and canelo
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Old 12-12-2012, 01:59 PM   #125
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Especially when one considers that Manny is really a featherweight and Mayweather a Lightweight.
This is false. Long ago this was debunked. They fought at the same weight classes when they were at the same age in their lives. Floyd's older and he's been fighting at higher weights for longer. They are the same size.

JMM's smaller than Floyd though (because, Pac****s says so)
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Old 12-12-2012, 02:00 PM   #126
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A shot mosley, victor dumb dumb ortiz and a shot cotto is floyd's legacy so far.

He can redeem himself with another boring victory over the gost and canelo
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Old 12-12-2012, 02:06 PM   #127
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JMM x 2 and Bradley are NOT bigger guys. Since you claim Manny and Floyd to be the same size, then let's examine the size of Floyd's recent opponents. Ortiz / Cotto are much bigger over JMM / Bradley - unquestionably.
I never said Floyd was the same size as Manny, I said he was the bigger man. And you're forgetting about Manny's fights against Cotto, Margo, Clottey - 3 bigger guys.

Let me put it to you this way. Since 2006 Floyd has fought 8 times; 6 at WW and 2 at JMW. In that same time, Manny has fought 16 times; 6 at JLW, 1 at LW, 1 at JWW, 7 at WW and 1 at JMW. Who do you think has faced the bigger fighters, taken tougher challenges and overall proven more?
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Old 12-12-2012, 02:13 PM   #128
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I never said Floyd was the same size as Manny, I said he was the bigger man.
Floyd's unofficial weight versus Miguel Cotto in a fight @ 154 pounds = 151 pounds

Manny's unofficial weight versus JMM @ 147 = 151 pounds

Floyd's bigger than Manny and should fight people @ 160 even though he can't make 154. But Pac's too small for those guys

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Old 12-12-2012, 02:15 PM   #129
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Even if you got Mayweather head to head, Pac beating May is like May beating Martinez at 160. Pac is naturally smaller than May. I think when you look at achievements you'll see Pac took on the best opposition at each weight class except for 135. At each weight class May has been in he never took on the best challenge.
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Old 12-12-2012, 02:19 PM   #130
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His legacy is being the man that mayweather has run from for so long.

Mayweather is only popular in the USA, pacquiao is global.
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Old 12-12-2012, 02:27 PM   #131
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His legacy is being the man that mayweather has run from for so long.
Was the before or after the infinite dodges of drug tests? The cut that needed nine months to heal? The outdoor stadium for a boxing match?

Talk to my promoter.

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Tell that to the UK or Africa

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Old 12-12-2012, 02:27 PM   #132
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Have you been living under a rock? Only seconds after last Saturday's knock out, there were videos of the KO posted on WSHH. Floyd fans were saying "see I told ya!" all over FB, Twitter, etc. A lot of Floyd dick riders were using this KO as validation for their boy never stepping up.



I never said Floyd was "scared" to face Casamayor, I was merely naming some fighters he conveniently found ways to not fight. These were quality boxers, in the divisions Floyd was fighting in at the time, that he did not fight, period. Everybody has "what ifs" and grey area on their resume, but Floyd's career is litered with them.



It's a little different with Pacquiao, who just recently moved up to the WW division. Mayweather has been fighting at WW for YEARS. While there were guys like Cotto, Margo, etc around, Floyd was fighting Baldomir.

I'm not being biased, I'm merely giving the reasons that I feel gives Pacquiao a higher p4p ATG ranking. Obviously, things could change over the next year or so. IF Floyd steps up and destroys somebody like Sergio Martinez, that goes a long way. But we all know Floyd will face Guerrero in May, then Canelo in the fall.
The problem with people like you is that you only tell one side of the story. You act as if it was strictly PBF's fault that this fight was never made when in fact both had a hand in it. You also blame PBF for not fighting guys like Casa but I could do the same for Pac. He chose to fight David Diaz at 135 instead of Campbell or Guzman chose to fight Clottey a guy coming off a lose and a guy no one demanded that he fight. Do you see how this works?
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Old 12-12-2012, 02:33 PM   #133
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Has to be Mayweather he was dominating when no one even knew Pacquiao was winning a title at 112 and getting koed Mayweather best a hall of famer in his first title fight just his 18 pro fight. Went to fight like 17 less fights than manny but has beaten more world champions and possibly more hall of famers. Also he beat his best competition after they won huge fights not after they took a beating or hadn't won in a while Pacquiao did this with Hatton Mosley cotto dlh and Margarito....Mosley hadn't won a fight in years dlh fought at weight he hadn't fought in 7years....people have to look past promotion smoke and mirrors.....it's not who you beat but also when you beat them.
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Old 12-12-2012, 02:35 PM   #134
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Pac does not have a better resume. It's a smoke and mirrors con trick made up of fighting the boiled down bones of former contenders.

Mayweather vs Ortiz or Cotto at their own weight tops Pac fighting scraps of anyone. Besides it's obvious to even a blind man that Mayweather would toy with Manny in much the same way he did with JMM. Mayweather is the best of this generation.

and then Cotto fought a real 154 pounder Champion in Trout.
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Old 12-12-2012, 02:37 PM   #135
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It's a little different with Pacquiao, who just recently moved up to the WW division. Mayweather has been fighting at WW for YEARS.
Pac moves up to WW:

Fights DLH after loss to PBF / Broken orbital bone to Steve Forbes. At weight of 147. Fight night Oscar weighs 145 pounds.

Fights Hatton after Hatton KO'd by Floyd and looks like utter shit, almost losing to everyone he faced, after Floyd.

Fights Cotto after Cotto is plastered by Margs an given a gift decision versus Clottey, where he looked like a scared shit.

Fights Mosley after Floyd dominates him and some no-namer fights him to a draw at 154.

Fights Clottey - who?

Fights Tim Bradley for his first fight at 147 (I don't even count the Casamayor fight as it was a joke)

Fights JMM at 38 years old, hoping to finally look good. Loses but is given the win.

Fights JMM at 39 years old, hoping Father Time is going to be enough of a help at this point. Result:

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Manny built a career off cherry picking fragile opponents.

Floyd didn't take every challenge, but he always fights people coming off career victories.

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While there were guys like Cotto, Margo, etc around, Floyd was fighting Baldomir.
It is a little odd that the people Floyd is accused of ducking happen to all have the same Promoter
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