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View Poll Results: As a boxing fan, who do you respect more?
Carl Froch 86 65.65%
Joe Calzaghe 45 34.35%
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Old 12-13-2012, 02:38 PM   #31
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Default Re: Poll - Who do you respect more, Carl Froch or Joe Calzaghe

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I like to talk about real match ups not hypothetical ones. Calzaghe is the number one hypothetical P4P boxer of all time.
I see you dont want to answer that question by throwing a moot statement back, as you know calzaghe would have beat both pavlik and Dawson.
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Old 12-13-2012, 02:39 PM   #32
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Default Re: Poll - Who do you respect more, Carl Froch or Joe Calzaghe

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I think you have to define what we are suppose to respect ?

We can respect both fighters for different things so which one are we talking about ?

I can understand all the current positive vibe for Froch, he has done well with what could be argued as limited skills ..

But on the same note .. are we having a negative view on Calzaghe because he had more skills and possibly could have done much more ?

IMO .. people are brushing Froch's defeat to Kessler under the carpet whilst conveniently brushing Calzaghe's win over Kessler under a different carpet to make Froch look better.

Froch's win over Bute is also possibly being taken too far ... until Bute comes back and proves me wrong then i think this win may end up looking a little hollow.

Im all for giving Froch some respect , but all things being level then Calzaghe should not be disrespected for possibly achieving more.

The bottom line is .. a prime Calzaghe beats a prime Froch without any doubt imo ..
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Old 12-13-2012, 03:01 PM   #33
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Default Re: Poll - Who do you respect more, Carl Froch or Joe Calzaghe

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I see you dont want to answer that question by throwing a moot statement back, as you know calzaghe would have beat both pavlik and Dawson.
He most likely would beat them, but this has nothing to do with this topic or the point that i was trying to make.

As a boxing fan, I am disappointed in Calzaghe's career.
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Old 12-13-2012, 03:10 PM   #34
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He most likely would beat them, but this has nothing to do with this topic or the point that i was trying to make.

As a boxing fan, I am disappointed in Calzaghe's career.
There are parts im dissappointed with too , but its not all his fault. Many didnt want to know when he was in his prime and some only fought him when it suited them . Say one of these two Brewer or Mitchell had beaten Ottke would they have been so willing to fight Calzaghe??
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Old 12-14-2012, 05:40 AM   #35
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Default Re: Poll - Who do you respect more, Carl Froch or Joe Calzaghe

I agree Calzaghe would have boxed Froch to a 9/3 points victory and had the superior skills.

I just don't agree for a second that he desperately tried to make the big fights and that all these opponents he somehow miraculously missed out on through absolutely no fault of his own at all ducked him! That is simply not true. I have read his book and the man doesn't even deny it really. He NEVER wanted to travel to have fights outside the UK and knew full well that people like RJJ and Hopkins would be unlikely to come to Wales and that the TV broadcast times would be all messed for american TV.

He was quite happy to stay here beating B grade opponents, I am not saying he wouldn't have fought those fighters in WALES, but he didn't go out of his way to take on the best abroad as Froch did. He COULD have beaten pretty much anyone but he chose not to, that certainly takes away from his legacy, which whilst impressive could have been so much better.

Instead we are discussing whether his record matches up to the 2nd or 3rd current best SMW in Froch. He could have been a nailed on, sealed in to history forever, SMW HOF ATG #1 rather than a great fighter with a record that could be brought in to question.

Even the most hardened Calzaghe fan must concede he could have done so much more if he had the inclination to travel or take fights outside his comfort zone.
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Old 12-14-2012, 07:19 PM   #36
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Default Re: Poll - Who do you respect more, Carl Froch or Joe Calzaghe

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that lame one again , too many back in calzaghe`s reign avoided him Hopkins in 2002 after signing the deal where he`d have got the biggest pay day of his career backed out and got sued by fisheyes, Echols avoided him Jermain Taylor out priced himself , Ottkke wanted nothing to do with calzaghe aswell as indirectly knocking calzaghe resume by cheating Brewer and Mitchel and Reid.

As for all those who have been in the Super six they are fortunate to have had such a tourney, although before and since then Froch has shown The guts.

Calzaghe fought two younger undefeated world champs in kessler and lacy who were classed as his equals or maybe better by the media, so how is that avoiding???

As for Hopkins and Jones they fought Calzaghe when they had nothing to lose and when he had everything to lose.

Pavlik and Dawson would have got schooled
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Old 12-14-2012, 09:04 PM   #37
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Default Re: Poll - Who do you respect more, Carl Froch or Joe Calzaghe

Skill set and as an athlete, Calzaghe.
Determination and heart, Froch.
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Old 12-14-2012, 10:11 PM   #38
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Default Re: Poll - Who do you respect more, Carl Froch or Joe Calzaghe

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I respect Calzaghe's skills and his incredible reign as an unbeaten world champion, although he left it late to unify.

I respect Froch's warrior mentality, willingness to fight anyone and travel to do so, and his tough uncompromising style.

I don't see why they need to be compared, they're from two slightly different times and both have their individual merits, you can respect one without thinking the other a bum or over rated!
Carl Froch had to travel, because he was a no mark.

And he's not a avoided and feared fighter like Joe Calzaghe was.

They are level's apart in ability.

Calzaghe resume is still better aswell.

Calzaghe was a warrior aswell, he would fight a straight up war with anybody!
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Old 12-14-2012, 11:24 PM   #39
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Default Re: Poll - Who do you respect more, Carl Froch or Joe Calzaghe

This is like when the general forum had a thread about who you'd want to date your sister or daughter more, Pacquiao or Mayweather.
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Old 12-15-2012, 06:24 AM   #40
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Default Re: Poll - Who do you respect more, Carl Froch or Joe Calzaghe

Froch, and it's not even close.
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Old 12-15-2012, 07:00 AM   #41
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Default Re: Poll - Who do you respect more, Carl Froch or Joe Calzaghe

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Joe Calzaghe.

Carl Froch's attitude has changed since he went under Eddie Hearn. Became arrogant and obnoxious. I used to like Carl and root for him when he wasnt getting the attention he deserved years ago.

But I dont like him now. I respect his fight, heart and chin as a fighter, but as a man since the switch to Matchroom, he has just become a another c*nt to me. No surprise at all, this is Sly and the Hearns we are talking about here. All about PR and image, "I'm the best thing going" etc etc

Ego got to Carl outside the ring, he will pay for it inside.

Joe remained the same to me throughout his career under his dads watch. He was always real to me and I rated him very highly as a boxer. Joe Calzaghe was on another level to Carl Froch, in and outside the ring, they dont call him the pride of Wales for nothing! From a bullied little kid at school, to an undefeated world champion from a small welsh village, and one of the best boxers Britain has ever produced, if not the best.

Carl Froch - "pride of Nottingham"

Joe Calzaghe - "pride of WALES"
So true. Froch would have been Lacey'd if they had ever fought.
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Old 12-15-2012, 07:03 AM   #42
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So true. Froch would have been Lacey'd if they had ever fought.
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Old 12-15-2012, 07:21 AM   #43
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Default Re: Poll - Who do you respect more, Carl Froch or Joe Calzaghe

Anyone connected to boxing has to respect both these guys. Simple
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Old 12-15-2012, 09:15 AM   #44
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Default Re: Poll - Who do you respect more, Carl Froch or Joe Calzaghe

People mention Joe's record, but it wasn't that great.

It's OK to reel off his resume, but it's in patches and not done on the bounce like Carl's. And besides, Joe's last two opponents had a combined age of nearly 100 years old! Jones wasn't even ranked and Hopkins was what exactly?

Joe could have done so much more, yet here we are saying he could have fought and beat Pavlik, Dawson, Jones in his prime, Hopkins in his prime, Winky, Jermaine Taylor etc but he didn't.

I think Froch is lucky that he is in a division where everyone has HAD to fight each other. But I think that would have been the case anyway. Froch has fought THE VERY BEST of his era, did Joe? No.

He even slags Jones in his autobiography yet fights him in his last fight! The date when that book come out and the date of that fight must have been a few years? And that only made Jones even worse than what he was and Joe STILL got decked in the first round!

Joe never sought out the top fighters which is one of the reasons why I rate Carl above him.
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Old 12-15-2012, 12:15 PM   #45
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Default Re: Poll - Who do you respect more, Carl Froch or Joe Calzaghe

Calzaghe dominated his weight for 10 years, beat Eubank more decisively than anyone else and fought through broken hands. Both warriors but Calzaghe for me.
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