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Old 05-27-2013, 03:31 PM   #301
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Default Re: The Transnational Boxing Rankings:Bermane Stiverne cracks the heavyweight ten

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Good idea, may as well blow credibility with the very first rankings so that people can move on before reading the rest.
That part is fine. Wlad can't be champ unless he beats Vitali. I don't understand why the ww champ is vacant though. Considering #1 has beat #2 already.
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Old 05-30-2013, 02:39 PM   #302
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P4P Adjustment
1. Floyd Mayweather
2. Andre Ward
3. Juan Manuel Marquez
4. Sergio Martinez
5. Manny Pacquiao
6. Carl Froch
7. Wlad Klitschko
8. Abner Mares
9. Guillermo Rigondeaux
10. Nonito Donaire
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Old 05-30-2013, 02:42 PM   #303
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That part is fine. Wlad can't be champ unless he beats Vitali. I don't understand why the ww champ is vacant though. Considering #1 has beat #2 already.
It's a nightmare scenario really - they met before they were #1 and #2.

What i'll say about the vacant champions is that it's difficult to become TBR Kingpin, but it's difficult to lose that title too - in other words, when the majority of divisions have titlists in a few years time things will be less difficult and the fact that so and so or such and such wasn't champ will be forgotten by all but a few that are interested in that kind of thing.
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Old 05-30-2013, 05:12 PM   #304
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It's a nightmare scenario really - they met before they were #1 and #2.

What i'll say about the vacant champions is that it's difficult to become TBR Kingpin, but it's difficult to lose that title too - in other words, when the majority of divisions have titlists in a few years time things will be less difficult and the fact that so and so or such and such wasn't champ will be forgotten by all but a few that are interested in that kind of thing.
Ok cool I get it. How are you gonna deal with this Floyd-Canelo situation though? Its another nightmare scenario since Canelo is the champ and floyd is the number 1 contender but they arent fighting at the jmw limit. So does the winner become champ or does Canelo keep his tiyle regardless of result?
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Old 05-30-2013, 05:21 PM   #305
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Default Re: The Transnational Boxing Rankings:Carl Froch up to #7 p4p

This fight crowns a champion at 154 - the belt is currently vacant.
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Old 05-30-2013, 06:07 PM   #306
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Personally I have Mares and Rigo above froch and Wlad
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Old 05-30-2013, 06:38 PM   #307
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If Bradley beats Marquez, will he be ranked P4P?
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Old 05-30-2013, 06:59 PM   #308
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Froch ahead of Wlad P4P...

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I think it's because they feel Froch has fought/beaten better competition than Wlad.
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Old 05-31-2013, 10:27 AM   #310
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I wouldn't have Martinez so high after that performance versus Murray
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P4P Adjustment
1. Floyd Mayweather
2. Andre Ward
3. Juan Manuel Marquez
4. Sergio Martinez
5. Manny Pacquiao
6. Carl Froch
7. Wlad Klitschko
8. Abner Mares
9. Guillermo Rigondeaux
10. Nonito Donaire
Excellent rankings, pretty much spot on imo! Certainly much better than the RING's and Boxrec's efforts.
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Old 05-31-2013, 05:48 PM   #312
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#6 is too high for Froch. I'd put him behind everyone else in the top 10.
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Old 05-31-2013, 06:04 PM   #313
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Froch @ #6 P4P is utterly disgraceful
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Old 05-31-2013, 08:15 PM   #314
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Froch @ #6 P4P is utterly disgraceful
That's a little harsh, Southpaw. But it demonstrates the problem with these things. One fan's second-rater is another fan's hero. What can yah do?

Personally, I thought Froch should stay put at #8 -he beat a top 20 guy most figured he'd beat anyway, and the lower end of the P4P List just feels more right for Froch. I and some others were outvoted though.

A good thing, though, is that quality of competition is a big factor. And that's why Froch got a lift -he's not pretty on the eyes (and trying to find an action shot where his form is right is a serious challenge!), but he is boxing's best overachiever.
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Old 06-01-2013, 09:17 AM   #315
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Quality of competition?
He's lost to Kessler,Ward, and should have lost to Dirrell. He needed a miracle comeback to beat Taylor. In between those, he's won decisions against old ass Glen Johnson, Arthur Abraham(who is everyone's bitch at 16, and KO'd Bute..The Bute KO is impressive, but Bute himself wasn't anywhere near top 10. He's getting a lot of credit for facing elite competition, when he's losing to that elite competition. Just 3 fights ago, he lost every round of a fight. That's not P4P
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