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Old 12-15-2012, 01:59 AM   #31
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Meh, I don't see anything wrong with it, and the people who don't like it have to just suck it up.

Besides I'm sure Marquez was there to see the first lady.

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Old 12-15-2012, 02:05 AM   #32
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Well Bogo I overall understand your concern. Having family from Mexico and studying Latin American history in undergrad Mexico has been in a downward spiral for the past few decades. I personally point to the NAFTA agreement.

Marquez is a great boxer, likable guy, very ring intelligent, and articulate out of the ring. Seems he is smart with math too, I remember a 24/7 showing he studied accounting. It would be nice to think he is on the same page politically, but usually you are not going to have everything in common with a person. Same with Pac, nice guy, very giving in person, but I don't agree with his conservative politics.

I can't speak for Mexican citizens, especially since I haven't been recently, but I will explain a few things from experience that hopefully help. Things in Mexico are much like the US. Most people don't vote and are not political. For the most part with the conversations I've had, most people don't trust the government and see it as futile to do anything about it. The government doesn't do much for the people so most people rely on themselves. I've met a lot of handy people who taught themselves how things work just so they can get by day to day. This has led to a generally conservative mind set.

Marquez comes from humble beginnings. He pretty much worked his way up to the pay days he is getting. I would not doubt he feels entitled for the work he has done, and he definitely deserves his pay days. In the boxing world it's dog eat dog, so it's either eat or be eaten. I don't know if he is enlightened to the notion that a lot of small people were stepped on along the way or how the power structures try to keep a status quo.

Anyhow, I don't think Marquez is a very political person with regards to researching what these politicians are doing. I think he just hears the message and sees some of the carrots these politicians have given the masses. I'm trying to remember what fight it was, but Marquez had also dedicated another fight to Calderon and had met with him as well. Calderon was part of the PAN and their paty have been at odds with the PRI for a very long time. I think he mostly sees this as a massive honor and he wants to share it with the country. Meeting the president is about as big as it gets, especially if you are trying to share your victory and recognition you have worked your whole life to get. For Mexicans in general, nationalistic pride is bigger than party differences. This for most this is another carrot to work hard.

Anyhow ESB isn't the best place to get political information, haha.
Great perspective, very much appreciate it! This points to JMM, despite his possible political support, probably not being to deeply supportive of the party's alleged corrupt policies, whether they are true or not.

We should talk about NAFTA and the state of Mexican politics as they progress sometime through PM's, I've done a good bit of study of their labor history, and I like the way your frame things.

And Divac, interesting information, I'll reiterate I wasn't defending or showing support for the PRI's opposition, who is no doubt just as corrupt as the PRI could be, just wondering what the students and marching activists in particular were thinking and how it relates to JMM's popularity, given multiple rumors about election fraud and the internet backlash.

Again thanks all for your perspectives.

MexicanMuscle that is quite the first lady.
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Old 12-15-2012, 03:21 AM   #33
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Meh, I don't see anything wrong with it, and the people who don't like it have to just suck it up.

Besides I'm sure Marquez was there to see the first lady.

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Old 12-15-2012, 03:31 AM   #34
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Meh, I don't see anything wrong with it, and the people who don't like it have to just suck it up.

Besides I'm sure Marquez was there to see the first lady.

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would smash and brag. **** cartel, **** mexican politics, **** you all im gonna fap into this
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Old 12-15-2012, 04:11 AM   #35
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no different than manny visiting the wretched criminal, obama.
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Old 12-15-2012, 04:20 AM   #36
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Bogotazo is one of those hardcore JMM fans who for some odd reason, while all of us were celebrating the huge win, he was being critical of JMM, and diminishing JMMs win in vague ways.

Big JMM fan this guy is.
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Old 12-15-2012, 04:25 AM   #37
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JMM better show up or he'll have his jet plane mysteriously crash into a mountain
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Old 12-15-2012, 04:25 AM   #38
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Old 12-15-2012, 04:32 AM   #39
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That is straight triple O G
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Old 12-15-2012, 04:42 AM   #40
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he was elected by the mexican people to be their president so i dont know how mad they cant be at marques... if the president is so bad is their fault for being so stupid in electing him

they shouldve elected lopez obrador to begin with

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Old 12-15-2012, 05:57 AM   #41
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what a retarded article. ali meet cordially with tons of president's from nixon to bush and told them he hated their foreign policy
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Old 12-15-2012, 09:05 AM   #42
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Marquez won the biggest fight of his boxing career. He is Mexican. The Mexican President takes a picture with him. This doesn't make Juan a terrorist. The team that wins the Super Bowl visits the President of the U.S. Does that mean the entire team is Democrats? Chill out.
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Old 12-15-2012, 09:12 AM   #43
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no different than manny visiting the wretched criminal, obama.
If you are a U.S. citizen, he is your President. Like it or not. Regardless of who the President is, if you're a citizen, that's what you have to deal with. Hate is so easy to fall in to. Be United States, not Divided States. This world will always have differences. We have to learn to peacefully deal with it.
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Old 12-15-2012, 12:14 PM   #44
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**** pena nieto
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Old 12-15-2012, 12:37 PM   #45
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Peņa Nieto is just 2 weeks into his 6-year term...

No big deal with this pic whatsoever.
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